Trend of Electromagnetic Temperature

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experimental determination of the temperature change in an electromagnet when subjected to different voltage settings, and the observed linear trend in energy transfer versus voltage. Participants explore the implications of Joule's First Law and Ohm's Law in this context, questioning the nature of the relationship between voltage and energy transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Experimental/applied
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment measuring the temperature change of water due to an electromagnet's operation at various voltages, noting a linear trend in the energy transferred.
  • Another participant questions the validity of determining a linear trend based on only two trials, suggesting that more data points are necessary for a reliable conclusion.
  • The original poster clarifies that six different voltage settings were tested, including an assumed point at zero voltage, which they argue supports their findings.
  • A subsequent reply challenges the method of determining the best fit for the data, emphasizing the need for multiple runs at each voltage to account for variability.
  • Concerns are raised regarding potential sources of error in the experiment, including initial water temperature consistency, voltage setting accuracy, and heat loss to the environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the experimental design and the interpretation of results. There is no consensus on whether the observed trend should be linear or parabolic, and multiple competing viewpoints regarding the experimental methodology and sources of error remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential experimental errors related to temperature measurement, voltage accuracy, and assumptions about heat transfer. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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In order to determine the temperature that an electromagnet reached after a 3 minute period the electromagnet was placed in a constant volume of water. After 3 minutes the change in temperature of the water was measured and from this using the equation Q=mcΔT the energy in joules transferred was calculated. This same process was repeated for the same electromagnet functioning at a different voltage. Graphing the joules exchanged for each experiment against the voltage that the electromagnet was run at produced what appears to be a linear trend.

Why this trend occurred is unknown. It was thought that the trend would be parabolic due to the following;

Joule's First Law: Q=k*I2*R

Ohms Law: V=I*R (hence I=V/R)

Substitution gives: Q=(k*V2)/R

I'm not sure if joules law is the correct law to use in this case and so this is most likely why I'm wrong. Can anyone explain why the result would be linear or confirm that it should in fact have been parabolic.

Thanks
Z.C
 
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Did you only run 2 trials? You won't be able to determine whether the trend is linear or not without more data points.
 
no in total we ran the experiment at 6 different voltages and an additional point was assumed (at 0,0) because with no voltage the magnet doesn't increase in temperature and therefore no energy would be exchanged between the two.

The graph is attached.

Thanks for the reply.

Z.C.
 

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Well, to start off how did you determine that a line of the one you have drawn is the best fit for your date points?
For each voltage setting, one would do several runs to have multiple data points.

You have several sources of error to begin with.
There is the experimental temperature difference between initial and final - and you do not say whether all runs of the experiment started at the same initial water temperature.
Also there is the voltage setting error.
And of course the mass of the water.

Calculating Q, by only using the increase in temperature of the water does not allow for the temperature increase of your electromagnet nor any heat lost from the water to the environment.
 

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