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The discussion revolves around understanding the derivation of the angle α in the equation tan(α) = 5π/4 within the context of trigonometric identities. The user seeks clarification on how the solution transitions from the equations A cos(α) = -1 and -A sin(α) = 1 to identifying α as 5π/4, which is in the third quadrant where both sine and cosine are negative. The explanation highlights that since tan(α) = 1, and knowing that tan is positive in both the first and third quadrants, the third quadrant is chosen, leading to α = π + π/4. The user also inquires about the quadrant values in terms of π, which are clarified as ranges for each quadrant. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding quadrant properties in trigonometry.
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Hi

I am doing a maths past paper and I would like some help to understand where part of the solution came from. The part I do not understand is the bit at the end which says tan\alpha = 5\pi/4. It would be great if someone could help me understand where this came from.

The question is

y = sin t - cos t in the form A cos(\omegat+\alpha)


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The solution is

y=sin t -cos t = A cos(\omegat+\alpha)
= A cos t cos \alpha - A sin t sin \alpha

A cos \alpha = -1
- A sin \alpha = 1

Squaring the above equations and adding side by side implies that A = \sqrt{2}

Dividing the above equations side by side gives

tan \alpha= 1

tan is positive in the first and third quadrant. We choose the third quadrant since from the above equation sin and cos are negative.

Hence \alpha = \pitan-1 = 5\pi/4

y= sin t - cos t = \sqrt{2}cos(t+ 5\pi/4)

What I do not understand is where did 5\pi come from? I have checked my notes and it does not mention anything about where pi comes from.
 
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hi andy! :smile:

(have an alpha: α and a pi: π and an omega: ω and a square-root: √ :wink:)

tan(π/4) = tan(45°) = 1

tan(π + x) = tanx, so tan(π + π/4) = 1 also, ie tan(5π/4) = 1 :smile:
 
Thanks. If I was using the cast rule does each quadrant have its own value of pi? I get the first part but I don't get the second line. Sorry ha I'm just hopeless at trigonometry.
 
andycampbell1 said:
Thanks. If I was using the cast rule does each quadrant have its own value of pi? I get the first part but I don't get the second line. Sorry ha I'm just hopeless at trigonometry.

You just said you have chosen the third quadrant therefore pi + pi/4 is the value you are looking for because it's in the third quadrant.
 
I know how to work out what quadrant to put tan in but. I do not know what each quadrant represents in terms of pi. Like u said pi in the 3rd quadrant = pi
+ pi/4. What would the other quadrants wqual
 
I know how to work out what quadrant to put tan in but. I do not know what each quadrant represents in terms of pi. Like u said pi in the 3rd quadrant = pi
+ pi/4. What would the other quadrants equal? The solution I posted came with the past paper I am just trying to make sense of it.
 
Each quadrant has 90o (or \pi/2 radians). The quadrant ranges are:

First quadrant ranges from 0 to \pi/2
The second from \pi/2 to \pi
The third from \pi to 3\pi/2
The fourth from 3\pi/2 to 2\pi
 
Thanks, from the examples I have the quadrant values make them make sense to me now, thanks for your help.
 
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