Triple Integral for Divergence Theorem

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The discussion revolves around finding the flux of the vector field F(x) = across a hemisphere defined by the equation x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 4, specifically above the plane z = 1. Participants are exploring both the Divergence Theorem and direct flux integrals to approach the problem.

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  • Participants discuss the divergence of the vector field and the setup of the integral, noting that the divergence is 3. There are attempts to establish limits for integration in spherical coordinates, particularly concerning the angle phi when z = 1. Some participants suggest alternative limits for the integral to avoid complications with subtracting the volume of a cone.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being considered. Some participants have provided guidance on changing the limits of integration, while others are exploring the implications of these changes on the results of the flux calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer yet.

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Participants are grappling with the complexities of integrating over a region defined by both a hemisphere and a plane, with specific attention to the geometry involved. There are references to the challenges of visualizing the region and ensuring the correct setup of integrals in both spherical and cylindrical coordinates.

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Homework Statement


Find the flux of the field F(x) = <x,y,z> across the hemisphere x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 4 above the plane z = 1, using both the Divergence Theorem and with flux integrals. (The plane is closing the surface)

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Obviously, the divergence is 3, so the tricky part is setting up the integral. If it was above the plane z = 0, it would be easy (matter of fact, you could just use the formula V = (2/3)(pi)(r^3) (since it's only half the sphere)), but it's not.

So what I did was say that since z = (rho)*cos(phi), I tried to figure out what the angle phi would be when z = 1. Substituting that in meant that 1 = 2*cos(phi), which means that cos(phi) = 0.5, which means that phi = pi/3

So my integral is as follows:
rho from 0 to 2
phi from 0 to pi/3
θ from 0 to 2pi

∫∫∫σ2sin(φ)dσdφdθ

Integrating with respect to σ gets me sin(φ)*σ3/3, and punching in my limits for σ gets me sin(φ)*(8/3).

Integrating with respect to φ gets me -cos(φ)*(8/3), and then punching in my limits for φ gets me (8/3)*(-cos(pi/3) - (-cos(0)), which is (8/3)(-0.5-(-1)), which is (0.5)(8/3) = 4/3.

Then integrating with respect to θ gets me (4/3)θ, and then substituting my limits gets me (8/3)*pi.

But then if I'm visualizing it correctly, I'm left with an ice cream cone-shaped object. So to get rid of the bottom of the cone, I substitute 1 in for z:

x^2 + y^2 + 1^2 = 4
x^2 + y^2 = 3
r^2 = 3
So r = sqrt(3)

So then I use cylindrical coordinates to subtract out the cone, using the following integral.
z from 0 to 1
r from 0 to sqrt(3)
θ from 0 to 2pi

∫∫∫rdzdrdθ

Integrating with respect to z gets me rz, and punching in my limits gets me r.

Then integrating with respect to r gets me 0.5r^2, and punching in my limits gets me 1.5.

Then integrating with respect to θ gets me 1.5θ from 0 to 2π, which is 3π.

So then (8/3)π - 3π is (-1/3)π. But if everything is above the x-axis, how can it be negative? (If I multiply by 3 to account for the divergence, that's still -π)

Alright, so doing the flux integral, I have the sphere parametrized as <2sinΦcosθ, 2sinΦsinθ, -2sinΦ>. Taking the cross product of the partials gives me <-4sin2φcosθ, -4sin2Φsinθ, 4sinφcosΦ>

The parametrization of the vector field in spherical coordinates is simply <2sinφcosθ, 2sinφsinθ, 2cosφ>. Taking the dot product of the two gives me -8sinφ(sin2φ-cos2φ), which becomes 8sinφcos(2φ)

Then I have to integrate that over the region in the (φ, θ) domain.

φ goes from 0 to π/3, and θ goes from 0 to 2π

So ∫∫(-8sinφ(sin2φ-cos2φ) dφdθ

Using a trig-sub:

∫∫(-8)(-cos(3φ)/6)+((cosφ)/2))

Integrate with respect to φ first.

-8(-sin(3φ)/18) + -8(sin(φ)/2)

(4/9)(sin(3φ)) - 4sinφ

((4/9)(0) - 2*sqrt(3) - 0) - 0

-2sqrt(3) integrate with respect to φ from 0 to 2π

-4π√3

And then you just take the area of the disk on the bottom.

r goes from 0 to sqrt(3), and θ goes from 0 to pπ

∫∫ r dr dθ

0.5r2 from 0 to sqrt(3) is just 1.5

Then basically multiply by 2π gives 3π

So it's 3π - 4π√3

But I'm getting two different answers for solving the flux integral vs. the divergence integral.
 
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checkmatechamp said:

Homework Statement


Find the flux of the field F(x) = <x,y,z> across the hemisphere x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 4 above the plane z = 1, using both the Divergence Theorem and with flux integrals. (The plane is closing the surface)

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The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously, the divergence is 3, so the tricky part is setting up the integral. If it was above the plane z = 0, it would be easy (matter of fact, you could just use the formula V = (2/3)(pi)(r^3) (since it's only half the sphere)), but it's not.

So what I did was say that since z = (rho)*cos(phi), I tried to figure out what the angle phi would be when z = 1. Substituting that in meant that 1 = 2*cos(phi), which means that cos(phi) = 0.5, which means that phi = pi/3

So my integral is as follows:
rho from 0 to 2
phi from 0 to pi/3
θ from 0 to 2pi
Since ##z=1## is ##\rho\cos\phi = 1## or ##\rho = \sec\phi##, why not integrate in the ##\rho## direction from ##\rho## on the plane to ##\rho = 2## instead of 0 to 2? Then you don't have to subtract the cone.

Also, I haven't, and don't intend to, carefully read your post because it's hard to read and follow.
 
LCKurtz said:
Since ##z=1## is ##\rho\cos\phi = 1## or ##\rho = \sec\phi##, why not integrate in the ##\rho## direction from ##\rho## on the plane to ##\rho = 2## instead of 0 to 2? Then you don't have to subtract the cone.

Also, I haven't, and don't intend to, carefully read your post because it's hard to read and follow.

So you mean change the limits as follows?

θ from 0 to 2π
φ from 0 to π/3
ρ from secφ to 2
 
You wish to evaluate:

$$\iint_S \vec F \cdot d \vec S$$

In two ways. Once using the flux integral above and once using the divergence theorem.

In the case of the flux integral:

$$\iint_S \vec F \cdot d \vec S = \iint_S \vec F \cdot \vec n \space dS = \iint_D \vec F(x, y, z(x,y)) \cdot (\vec r_x \times \vec r_y) \space dA$$

Where ##\vec r(x,y) = x \hat i + y \hat j + 1 \hat k## and ##z(x,y) = 1##.

You can obtain the ##xy## limits by looking at the sphere and noticing ##x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 4 \Rightarrow x^2 + y^2 = 3##. Switching to polar co-ordinates should finish it off.

In the case of the divergence theorem:

$$\iint_S \vec F \cdot d \vec S = \iiint_E \text{div}(\vec F) \space dV = 3 \iiint_E \space dV $$

Where you have already found the divergence. Now the solid region ##E## is bounded by the plane and the hemisphere, so a switch to spherical co-ordinates would finish off the integral nicely.
 
checkmatechamp said:
So you mean change the limits as follows?

θ from 0 to 2π
φ from 0 to π/3
ρ from secφ to 2

Yes. And, for what it's worth, I get ##5\pi## for the triple integral using the divergence of ##3##.
 
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