Troubles with a Dynamics exercise

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The discussion revolves around solving a dynamics problem involving two carts pushed by an external force. Initially, the user incorrectly applied Newton's laws, leading to an erroneous calculation of the forces between the carts. After clarification, they correctly determined the acceleration of the system as 2 m/s² and recalculated the forces, concluding that the force exerted by cart 2 on cart 1 is -4 N, and by cart 1 on cart 2 is 4 N, in accordance with Newton's third law. The final solution aligns with the principles of dynamics, confirming the calculations are now accurate. The importance of free-body diagrams and proper application of Newton's laws was emphasized throughout the discussion.
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Homework Statement



Two carts (1&2) on a flat surface, are pushed by an external force (##\vec{F}##), exerted on 1 (the carts are motionless and touching each other).

Consider the two objects as particles and take no notice of any friction.

F=12N; mass of 1 (##m_1##)=4,0 kg; mass of 2 (##m_2##)= 2,0 kg.
Find the intensity and the direction of the force exerted by 1 on 2 (##\vec{F_{12}}##) and the force exerted by 2 on 1 (##\vec{F_{21}}##)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving the system given by:
##\vec{F_{12}}=\vec{F} - \vec{F_{21}}## and ##\vec{F_{21}}= m_2 * a##

obtaining:
##m_1 * a = 12 - m_2 *a## ##\Rightarrow## ##a=2,0 m/s^2##

and thus:
##\vec{F_{21}}=2,0kg * (-2,0 m/s^2)=-4 N## with the minus sign, as this force is opposite to F
##\Rightarrow## ##\vec{F_{12}}=16N##
which, according to my textbook is not the right result.
I don't get where are the mistakes, though. Can anyone help me please?
 
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Your first equations are not right - you're mixing forces acting on different objects.
You need to draw some free-body diagrams and then apply Newton 2 to them.

What will be the relation between the 2 forces you're asked to find?
 
Felafel said:
##\vec{F_{12}}=\vec{F} - \vec{F_{21}}##
This violates Newton's 3rd law.
 
allright, should it be like this then?
i find the acceleration, which is:
##a=\frac{\vec{F}}{m_1+m_2}## = ##2 m/s^2##
in the free-body diagram of 1 there is ##\vec{F_{21}}##
so I multiply the acceleration for ##m_2##, which gives ##\vec{F_{21}}=-4N## (because its direction is opposite to that of the x-axis)
and, for Newton 3, there must be an equal and opposite force, which means ##\vec{F_{12}}=4N##
 
Felafel said:
allright, should it be like this then?
i find the acceleration, which is:
##a=\frac{\vec{F}}{m_1+m_2}## = ##2 m/s^2##
in the free-body diagram of 1 there is ##\vec{F_{21}}##
so I multiply the acceleration for ##m_2##, which gives ##\vec{F_{21}}=-4N## (because its direction is opposite to that of the x-axis)
and, for Newton 3, there must be an equal and opposite force, which means ##\vec{F_{12}}=4N##

Yes, this looks right :)
You can check the answer by seeing that the resultant force on m1 is therefore 8N which agrees with its acceleration.
 
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