Trying to find the Tensile Pressure in a Rotating Disk

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the tensile pressure in a rotating disk, specifically focusing on how centrifugal forces affect the material's integrity. Participants explore theoretical approaches to derive the tensile pressure at a given radius within the disk, considering factors such as angular frequency, mass density, and material properties.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method to calculate the tensile pressure by integrating the force exerted by rotating rings of material, leading to a formula for pressure that appears to diverge at the center of the disk.
  • Another participant suggests considering hoop stress in addition to radial stress to balance the centrifugal force, proposing a different approach to derive the bursting stress in the rings.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of both radial and circumferential stresses in maintaining finite stress at the center, noting the interference of these stresses through Poisson's ratio.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial participant feels they have received sufficient advice to proceed with their calculations and will return with results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate methods to calculate tensile pressure and the factors that need to be considered, indicating that multiple competing approaches remain without a consensus on the best solution.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the nature of the disk and the simplifications made in the calculations may not be fully addressed, particularly in relation to the effects of hoop stress and the implications of infinite pressure at the center.

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OK, so I'm trying to build a hyper-fast rotating disk, probably of aluminum. The tensile strength is about 200MPa (note that this is a pressure, which makes sense), and I'm trying to calculate the tensile pressure throughout the disk. The point being to find out how fast I can spin the thing before it tears apart due to the centifugal force. To phrase it more succinctly:

A disk of radius R and mass density ρ rotates about its axis with angular frequency ω. Find the tensile pressure at radius r_o.

So I started out by finding the infinitesimal outward force exerted by successive rings of material:

v=ωr
a=v^{2}/r

→ a=ω^{2}r

And the mass of each ring is:

→ dm=2\pi rh*ρ*dr ---------- note that "h" is the thickness, included to make it a volume

The infinitesimal force on each ring segment is then:

dF=dm*a

→ dF=2\pi r^2 ω^2 h ρ dr

Now I integrated the force from the radius of interest r_o, to the outer radius "R". This should give us the total force the material must withstand at radius r_o.

F=\int^{R}_{r_o} 2\pi r^2 ω^2 h ρ dr

F=2\pi ω^2 h ρ (\frac{R^3}{3}-\frac{r^{3}_{o}}{3})

When plotted in Mathematica (setting all variables to 1 and varying r_o) this looks like:

forcecurve2_zps84100d69.jpg


This appears to be correct. As one might expect, the force starts at zero on the outer edge and increases to a more or less constant value at the center.

The trouble starts when I tried to convert this into a pressure by dividing by the area at r_o.

→ A=2\pi r_o h

→ Pressure=F/A=\frac{ω^2 ρ (\frac{R^3}{3}-\frac{r^{3}_o}{3})}{r_o}

pressure_zps217ec2ea.jpg


As you can see, the pressure goes to infinity at the center. This is clearly wrong, but I'm not sure how to fix it. Please help!
 
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If you want to consider successive rings you must consider the hoop (circumferential) stress in each ring cause by the rotation.

To do this you balance the centrifugal force against twice the hoop force for a semi ring.
The ring bursts across a diameter, cutting two sections of ring. The free body diagram of the semi ring has the outwards centrifugal pressure colinear with but of opposite direction to the hoop stresses in that cut semi ring.

Divide this by the ring cross section to obtain the bursting stress.

Alternatively for thin disks you can solve the differential equation

r(d2σr/dr2)+3(dσr/dr) = -(3+γ)ρω2r

I am sorry I do not have my usual facilities for drawings or tex.
 
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Pity, because in a ring both the radial AND the circumferential stress contribute to resist the centrifugal force, and worse, they interfere also through Poisson's number.

The circumferential stress is what keeps the stress finite at the center, but both stresses act.

If you read German the result is in Dubbel but I don't remember if the reasoning is included.
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wait, it has been translated into English!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387198687/?tag=pfamazon01-20
try to get one, not just for the present purpose. Got mine on eBay.
 
You have given me some very good advice, I think I know how to solve this now. I'll get back to you in a bit with my results...
 

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