Twin Paradox: Will Car A Age Slower?

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The discussion revolves around the Twin Paradox, specifically examining whether Car A, which experiences centripetal acceleration on a circular track, will age slower than Car B, which travels in a straight line around the globe. The focus is on the effects of acceleration and the conditions under which time dilation occurs, considering both gravitational and kinematic factors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that Car A, due to its centripetal acceleration, may age slower than Car B, which travels in a straight line.
  • Another participant questions whether the planet is rotating and what method of simultaneity is being used for age comparison.
  • A different participant argues that angular acceleration does not affect aging in a frame invariant sense and suggests that proper acceleration is what should be considered, stating that it does not influence the instantaneous aging rate.
  • Clarification is provided that both cars start at the same time and place, and that time is compared when they meet again after Car B completes its circuit.
  • One participant concludes that there would be no difference in aging between the two cars, providing a mathematical expression based on the Schwarzschild metric to support this claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of centripetal acceleration on aging, with some arguing it has no effect while others suggest it might. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of acceleration on the aging process of the twins.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the planet's rotation and the method of simultaneity used for comparison are not fully clarified, which may affect the conclusions drawn. The discussion also highlights the complexity of defining aging in relation to different types of acceleration.

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If we have two twins driving cars.
They remain at the same height above sea level so gravitational time dilation is equal.
Both cars travel at the same speed so time dilation due to speed is equal for both.

However...
Car A drives around a small circular race track and experiences centripetal acceleration. Car B drives is a straight line and does a circuit of the globe.

Will car A age slower due increased angular acceleration it experiences?

Thanks.
 
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Are you considering the planet to be rotating or non rotating?

Are you comparing their age using standard Schwarzschild simultaneity or some other method?
 
bcrelling said:
Will car A age slower due increased angular acceleration it experiences?
Angular acceleration is not something that you "experience" in a frame invariant sense. It's computed with respect to some point in some coordinates. And it has nothing to do with aging.

Did you maybe mean proper (centripetal) acceleration? Proper acceleration itself also doesn't affect the instantaneous aging rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_hypothesis
So assuming the planet is not rotating, and they have the same speed relative to the planet, they will age by the same amount between meetings.
 
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To be exact:
The planet is not rotating.
Both riders start at the same time and same place.
Time is compared by the twins carrying clocks which are compared after driver B completes a circuit of the globe and both drivers meet at the starting point.

But I think you've already answered my question- there would be no difference between them.

Thanks!
 
Yes, there would be no difference. Here is how you would calculate it:

The Schwarzschild metric is ##d\tau^2 = (1-R/r) dt^2 - (1-R/r)^{-1}dr^2 - d\Omega^2## where ##d\Omega^2=r^2 (d\theta^2+\sin^2\theta~d\phi^2)## is the metric of a 2-sphere. On the surface of the planet let ##r=r_0## and ##v=d\Omega/dt##. So

##d\tau^2/dt^2 = (1-R/r_0) - v^2##

This does not depend on the shape of the path as long as it stays on the surface and goes at a constant speed.
 
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