Two Conducting Spheres Connected by a Wire

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The problem involves two conducting spheres with radii r1 = 5 cm and r2 = 7 cm, where the smaller sphere initially has a charge of 5×10-7 C and the larger sphere is uncharged. The task is to determine the charge on the smaller sphere after the spheres are connected by a wire, assuming the separation is large compared to their radii.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between charge and potential for the two spheres, noting that they must have the same potential when connected. They explore the equations governing the system, including the total charge conservation and the potential equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the equations based on the known relationships between charge and potential. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge in solving for individual charges given the equations, but a productive direction has been suggested by substituting one equation into another.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem constraints include the assumption of large separation between the spheres, which allows for the use of standard equations for spherical charge distribution. There is a recognition of the known values for radii and total charge, but the exact values for the charges on the spheres remain to be determined.

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Homework Statement


In the figure, r1 = 5 and r2 = 7 cm. Before the conducting spheres are connected by the wire a charge of 5×10-7 C is placed on the smaller sphere while the larger sphere is uncharged. Calculate the charge on the smaller sphere after the wire is connected. Assume that the separation of the spheres is very large compared to their radii.

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Homework Equations


V = kQ/r


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that at the beginning, only the smaller sphere has a charge. Therefore, the total charge of the system after being connected must equal the same charge. Also, I know that both spheres will have the same potential.

V1 = V2
kQ1/r1 = kQ2/r2

After this point, I'm just clueless on how to figure out those individual charges knowing only the total charge and radii. Any help is great!
 
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I think you've kind of conceptually solved the problem, even if you don't realize it yet. :-p (The only other detail in the problem statement was "Assume that the separation of the spheres is very large compared to their radii," but I think that's just a way saying that you don't have worry about either sphere disrupting the spherical charge distribution of the other sphere. In other words, you should be able to use the normal equations for spheres.)

Things that you have already given or said:

r1 and r2 are given in the problem statement. So they are not unknowns.

"the total charge of the system after being connected must equal the same charge." Yes, that's right, so Q1 + Q2 = 5×10-7 C.

"Also, I know that both spheres will have the same potential. [...] kQ1/r1 = kQ2/r2"

So, by your own words, you are left with two equations, and two unknowns, ...
 
I kind of get what you're saying, but I still can't get it for some reason. This seems really simple, but I just can't figure out how I'd get Q1 when its set equal to another equation with another unknown (Q2).
 
choco_moo said:
I kind of get what you're saying, but I still can't get it for some reason. This seems really simple, but I just can't figure out how I'd get Q1 when its set equal to another equation with another unknown (Q2).

Well, you already know that

Q1 + Q2 = 5×10-7 C.

That means

Q2 = (5×10-7 C) - Q1

Substitute that into

kQ1/r1 = kQ2/r2.

(Wherever it says "Q2" substitute "[5×10-7 C] - Q1")

Now you have 1 equation and 1 unknown. Solve for Q1. (r1 and r2 are known constants given in the problem statement, and you can find k in your textbook [its a fundamental constant])
 
I got it now. I was being so stupid. For some reason, I kept thinking I had to plug in (5e-7 - Q1) for Q2 and (5e-7 - Q2) for Q1 and had to solve for Q1 that way. Thanks for the help!:smile:
 

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