Two different equations of motion from the same Lagrangian?

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The discussion centers on the differing equations of motion for a pendulum with a horizontally oscillating support, derived from the same Lagrangian. One participant derives an equation using the Euler-Lagrange equation, leading to a different solution for the pendulum's motion compared to the provided equation. The discrepancy arises because the participant mistakenly treats the support's motion as unknown rather than predetermined. This misinterpretation alters the nature of the system being analyzed. Ultimately, the two solutions represent different physical scenarios, emphasizing the importance of correctly defining the system's parameters.
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The equation of motion of a pendulum with a support oscillating horizontally sinusoidally with angular frequency ##\omega## is given by (5.116). (See attached.)

I get a different answer by considering the Euler-Lagrange equation in ##x## and then eliminating ##\ddot{x}## in (5.115):

Referring to (5.114), we have
##\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{x}}=\frac{\partial L}{\partial x}##
##\frac{d}{dt}(m\dot{x}+ml\dot{\theta}\cos\theta)=0##
##m\ddot{x}+ml\ddot{\theta}\cos\theta-ml\dot{\theta}^2\sin\theta=0##
##\ddot{x}=l\dot{\theta}^2\sin\theta-l\ddot{\theta}\cos\theta##

Substituting this into (5.115), we have
##l\ddot{\theta}+l\dot{\theta}^2\sin\theta\cos\theta-l\ddot{\theta}\cos^2\theta=-g\sin\theta##
##l\ddot{\theta}\sin\theta+\dot{\theta}^2\cos\theta=-g##

The solution ##\theta (t)## would in general be different from the solution ##\theta (t)## of (5.116). Why are there two solutions? What does the former solution represent?

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The reason you're getting a different answer is because you are not solving the same system. The problem gives you x (t), but you are trying to solve for it as though it is an unknown. By doing this you are changing the support from moving at a known oscillation to having its oscillating based on the swinging of the pendulum. Hope that helps
 
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