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The discussion revolves around integration problems involving trigonometric and exponential functions. The original poster presents two specific integrals: one involving the sine and cosine functions, and another involving an exponential function with a negative exponent.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the integration of \(\frac{\sin\theta}{\cos\theta} d\theta\) and suggest using substitution methods. There is uncertainty about the integration of \(6e^{-x^2}\) and whether it can be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Some participants question the validity of their approaches and the implications of their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various substitution methods and questioning the feasibility of integrating certain functions. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants mention constraints related to homework rules and the nature of differential equations, which may affect their approaches to the integration problems. There is also a concern about the inability to integrate certain functions using elementary methods.

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Homework Statement



I have a couple of questions about some intriguing looking equations.

Firstly, I have to integrate:

\frac{sin\theta}{cos\theta} d\theta

Is there an answer to just dividing them? because sin/cos = tan, but that doesn't seem to help?

Secondly, I have to integrate:

6e^{-x^2}
This One > 6e^{-x^2} Should be displaying e to the minus x sqaured
but I didn't think you could integrate a e^{x^2}

Again, this one V
e^{x^2} ?

Homework Equations



\frac{sin\theta}{cos\theta} = tan\theta

The Attempt at a Solution



Given above

Any help would be most appreciated,

TFM
 
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\int \frac{sin\theta}{cos\theta}d\theta


if you let u=cos\theta, what is \frac{du}{d\theta}?

For the 2nd one, I don't think you can express that in terms of elementary functions.
 
rock.freak667 said:
\int \frac{sin\theta}{cos\theta}d\theta


if you let u=cos\theta, what is \frac{du}{d\theta}?

\frac{du}{d\theta} = -sin\theta

rock.freak667 said:
For the 2nd one, I don't think you can express that in terms of elementary functions.

Is there any way to integrate this, or should I leav it as it is (The question is solving differential equations)

TFM
 
TFM said:
\frac{du}{d\theta} = -sin\theta


and so -du=sin\theta d\theta.

Now just sub this into the integral and you can get it out.
 
I have to admit making a small mistake...

The equation to solve is:

\frac{cos\theta}{tan\theta}

TFM
 
then you need to put tan as sin/cos and get

\frac{cos^2 \theta}{sin\theta}

which in this case put u=sin
 
So:

u = sin\theta

\frac{du}{d\theta} = cos\theta

du = cos\theta d\theta

so sub-ing in:

\frac{cos^2 \theta}{sin\theta}d\theta

\frac{du^2 \theta}{u}d\theta

Does this look right?

Edit: No it doesn't. Should be

\frac{du^2 }{u}

\frac{du^2 }{u}
Does this Look right?

TFM
 
I think what rock.freak667 wanted you to get was

\frac{du}{u} \cdot \cos x = \frac{ \sqrt{1-u^2}}{u} du,

which would warrant an integration by parts.

An alternative method would be to write \cos^2 x = 1-\sin^2 x and divide through.
 
Could I not use double angle formula:

cos^2(\theta) = \frac{1-cos(2\theta)}{2}

Giving

\frac{1 - cos(2\theta)}{2sin(\theta)}

and then let u = cos\theta again

??

TFM
 
  • #10
How would that help you? What are you going to do with the cos(2\theta) if u= cos(\theta)?
 
  • #11
That's true, I just saw the cos squared and remebered that sometime that relation is used to break it down. So:

\frac{cos^2 \theta}{sin\theta}

u = sin\theta

\frac{du}{d\theta} = cos\theta

du = cos\theta d\theta

This gives me

\frac{cos\theta cos\theta}{sin\theta}d\theta

\frac{cos\theta }{u}du


cos\theta = \sqrt{1 - sin^2\theta}

cos\theta = \sqrt{1 - u^2}

so:


\frac{\sqrt{1 - u^2}}{u}du

So integrating by parts:

\int adb = ab - \int bda

db = u^{-1} ; u^{-2}

a = \sqrt{1 - u^2} ; da =

Does this look okay?

TFM
 
  • #12
Well if you meant

db = u^{-1}, b = \log_e u

Then that looks fine so far in terms of correctness, though it looks like it won't be fruitful. Perhaps rock.freak667 meant something different to what i Interpreted.

Why didn't you like my suggestion though lol?
 
  • #13
Gib Z said:
Well if you meant

db = u^{-1}, b = \log_e u

Then that looks fine so far in terms of correctness, though it looks like it won't be fruitful. Perhaps rock.freak667 meant something different to what I Interpreted.

Why didn't you like my suggestion though lol?

I was actually going to do

b = u^{-1}, db = u^{-2}

or is this going the wrong way?

Was your suggestion


An alternative method would be to write cos^2 x = 1-sin^2 x and divide through.

If so, should that not be

cos^2(\theta) = \frac{1-cos(2\theta)}{2} ?

I'm wondering if i have made some mistakes in actually solving the Differential Equations, since out of four DEs I have three which seem to not be able to be completed?

TFM
 
  • #14
If I may just check my calculations.

First Question:

x(t): x' = xt + 6te^{-t^{2}}

Subtract -xt from both sides:

-xt \frac{dx}{dt} = 6te^{-t^{2}}

-x \frac{dx}{dt} = 6te^{-t^{2}}/t

-x dx = 6e^{-t^{2}} dt

Does this one look okay?

TFM
 
  • #15
Does the above look correct?

TFM
 
  • #16
\frac{dx}{dt}=xt+6te^{-t^2}

\frac{dx}{dt}-xt=6te^{-t^2}

Do you know how to solve first order differential equations of the form (in your case)

\frac{dx}{dt}+P(t)x=Q(t)?
 
  • #17
That would be:

= e^Fx \int^F q(t)dt + C

= e^Fx \int^F q(t)dt + C

= e^Fx \int^F q(t)dt + C

F = \int p(t)dt

?

TFM
 
  • #18
Sorry, Latex annoys me sometimes when editing:

= e^Fx \int^F q(t)dt + C

F = \int p(t)dt

TFM
 
  • #19
Lets see. So:

\frac{dx}{dt}-xt=6te^{-t^2}

\frac{dx}{dt}+P(t)x=Q(t)

solution:

= e^Fx \int^F q(t)dt + C

F = \int p(t)dt

And:

q(t) = 6te^{-t^2}

p(t) = -t

so:

F = \int -t dt = \frac{-t^2}{2}

= e^{\frac{-t^2}{2}}x \int^{\frac{-t^2}{2}}(6te^{-t^2}) dt + C

We still seem to have to integrate the e^{-x^2}? Which I thought ewas impossible?

TFM
 
  • #20
your integrating factor of exp(-t2/2) is correct.

But your integrand should be


e^\frac{t^2}{2} 6te^{t^2}

Which can be simplified. Then you can integrating using a u substitution.
 
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  • #21
with

e^\frac{t^2}{2} 6te^{t^2}

can you add the e values to get:

6te^{\fract{t^2}{2}+t^2}

?

TFM
 
  • #22
exp(-t2/2 - t2)=exp(-3t2/2)
 
  • #23
So we have:

e^{\frac{\t^2}{2}}\int 6te^{\frac{-3t^2}{2}}

So we have to integrate

\int 6te^{\frac{-3t^2}{2}}

You suggest using a u substitution

Should that be:

u = \frac{-3t^2}{2}

?

TFM
 
  • #24
Yes, if u=exp(-3t2/2), What is du/dt and thus du?
 
  • #25
So:

U = e^{-\frac{3t^2}{2}}

Would du/dt be:

\frac{du}{dt} = \frac{3}{2}^{-\frac{3t^2}{2}}

and thus:

du = \frac{3}{2}^{-\frac{3t^2}{2}} dt

?

TFM
 

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