Two stationary values for an action

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In summary, if there are multiple real paths through which a physical system can move in phase space, then it is possible for the action to have multiple stationary values. This may potentially violate Liouville's theorem, which states that the density and topology of system points in a volume of phase space must remain constant with time. Further analysis is needed to determine the implications of this for the uniqueness of the set of equations determining a system's trajectory.
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Is it possible for an action (the integral of a Lagrangian) to have more than one stationary value? Why or why not?
 
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If there are more than one real path through which the physical system can move in phase space (q,p) then it can have multiple stationary values -but i have yet to see an example of the same
 
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If there are more than one real path through which the physical system can move in phase space (q,p) then it can have multiple stationary values - but i have yet to see an example of the same

If there are multiple stationary values, then a point in phase space (q,p) may have multiple trajectories. Does that violate Liouville's theorem: the density of system points in the vicinity of a given system point traveling through phase space is constant with time?

And Lioville's theorem, I think, also states that a "volume" of system points in phase space must maintain its topology under time evolution. So a simply connected volume must remain simply connected. Assume all except one point P in a simply connected "volume" has exactly one trajectory, while point P has two (say, path A and path B). Only one path (say, A) allows the volume's density and topology to remain unchanged, while the other path (B) either increases the density of the volume (if the path ends within the volume) or makes a hole in the volume (if the path ends outside the volume). Using the same argument, we conclude that if a point has exactly one trajectory, then all its neighbouring points must have exactly one trajectory.

EDIT: Liouville's theorem shows that if a system A in an initial state X has exactly one trajectory determined by a set S of equations, then the same system A but in any other initial state Y must also have exactly one trajectory determined by the same set S of equations. But it does not show that there could only be one stationary value of the action. It does not show that the Hamilton's principle solves for a unique set S of equations.
 
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1. What is the concept of "two stationary values" for an action?

The concept of "two stationary values" for an action refers to a principle in physics known as the principle of least action. This principle states that for a physical system, the action (a measure of the system's energy) is minimized at certain points called stationary points. These points can either be a minimum or a maximum, and when there are two stationary points, one is a minimum and the other is a maximum.

2. How can there be two stationary points for an action?

There can be two stationary points for an action because the principle of least action takes into account all possible paths that a physical system can take. This means that there can be multiple paths that result in the same value for the action at a stationary point. Therefore, there can be two stationary points with the same action value, one being a minimum and the other being a maximum.

3. What does having two stationary points mean for a physical system?

Having two stationary points for a physical system means that the system has multiple possible paths that it can take while still conserving the same amount of energy. This allows for more flexibility in the behavior of the system and can lead to interesting phenomena, such as interference patterns in wave systems.

4. How is the principle of least action used in physics?

The principle of least action is used in physics to determine the path that a physical system will take between two points in space and time. By finding the stationary points for the action, we can determine the most probable path that the system will take. This principle is used in various fields of physics, including classical mechanics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics.

5. Can there be more than two stationary points for an action?

Yes, there can be more than two stationary points for an action. In some cases, a physical system may have multiple paths that result in the same action value, leading to more than two stationary points. Additionally, in certain systems, there may be multiple variables that contribute to the action, resulting in multiple stationary points in a multidimensional space.

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