Typical value free air convection heat transfer coefficient

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the free air convection heat transfer coefficient for a vertical cylinder heated to 1000 degrees Celsius, with room temperature at 20 degrees Celsius. Participants explore various sources and methods for determining this coefficient, considering the influence of temperature and other heat transfer mechanisms.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the typical value for the convection heat transfer coefficient at high temperatures, specifically for a cylinder heated to 1000 degrees Celsius.
  • Another participant suggests using a formula from Wikipedia or estimating a value between 5 and 25 W/m²·K, noting the need for a correlation based on measurements for accuracy.
  • A different participant points out that at 1000 degrees Celsius, radiation may significantly influence heat transfer, potentially overshadowing convection effects.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability in reported values for the convection heat transfer coefficient, with some sources suggesting ranges of 5 to 25 W/m²·K, 5 to 50 W/m²·K, and 10 to 100 W/m²·K, leading to uncertainty in selection.
  • One participant proposes a conservative estimate of 20 W/m²·K, emphasizing the difficulty in making accurate estimations and questioning the required accuracy for the problem.
  • Another participant acknowledges the importance of considering radiation in the heat transfer calculations, noting discrepancies between expected and calculated results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific value for the convection heat transfer coefficient, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the influence of temperature and radiation on the coefficient.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the geometry of the cylinder, the temperature dependence of the convection coefficient, and the potential need for empirical measurements to achieve accuracy.

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whats would be typical value for free air convection heat transfer coefficient at high temperature of 1000 degree c?

let say i have a vertical cylinder of diameter 5 cm and 3 cm high. and i heat it to 1000 degree c. the room temperature is 20c . what would the convection heat transfer coefficient be?
 
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Note that at that temperature, radiation is probably a much bigger factor than convection, so you're going to want to calculate that.
 
the thing is engineering box say 5 and 25 W/m^2.K, i have seen some website say 5 and 50 W/m^2.K, and wikipedia 10-100 W/m^2.K so i don't really know what to chooese.

plus onvection heat transfer coefficient increase with temperature, it may be 25 W/m^2.K at 20-200 degree c but it will be higher at 1000 degree c.
 
It's a very difficult thing to estimate. I'd pick something conservative inside all three ranges. Like, 20.

What exactly the purpose of this question? Ie, how much accuracy is required? Can you measure instead of calculating? Use a controller?
 
russ_watters thanks, i alway just assumed radiation doesn't matter much but actually as you said, is it much bigger factor than convection. that's why the data i got doesn't match the result from convection
 

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