Understanding Constant Temperature in Ideal Gas Filling Process

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The discussion centers on the behavior of an ideal gas entering a rigid vessel under constant pressure (Pi) and temperature (Ti). The temperature inside the vessel remains constant at (Cp/Cv)Ti throughout the filling process, despite initial intuitions suggesting otherwise due to free expansion. The concept of flow work, as illustrated by an imaginary piston, clarifies that the gas entering the vessel is not undergoing free expansion but is instead being pushed in a controlled manner, maintaining constant temperature.

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  • Knowledge of specific heat capacities (Cp and Cv)
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I'm trying to solve a problem where a perfect ideal gas is entering an initially evacuated rigid vessel. The input pressure and temperature are Pi and Ti which are constant. The incoming mass Mi is an arbitrary function of time.

When i solve this, i get the temperature inside the container as (Cp/Cv)Ti which is same from the beginning till the end of the filling process.

I am unable to physically understand how the temperature in the container is supposed to be constant. Isn't the ideal gas entering the rigid vessel undergoing free expansion at the first instant and then it gradually becomes more difficult to pump the gas in? So how can the temperature inside the container be constant?

I know that some books talk of imagining a piston pushing the gas in hand hence it is doing flow work, but i cannot visualize the process especially in the context of the present problem.
 
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thinkingcap81 said:
I'm trying to solve a problem where a perfect ideal gas is entering an initially evacuated rigid vessel. The input pressure and temperature are Pi and Ti which are constant. The incoming mass Mi is an arbitrary function of time.

When i solve this, i get the temperature inside the container as (Cp/Cv)Ti which is same from the beginning till the end of the filling process.

I am unable to physically understand how the temperature in the container is supposed to be constant. Isn't the ideal gas entering the rigid vessel undergoing free expansion at the first instant and then it gradually becomes more difficult to pump the gas in? So how can the temperature inside the container be constant?

I know that some books talk of imagining a piston pushing the gas in hand hence it is doing flow work, but i cannot visualize the process especially in the context of the present problem.
It really seems to me that you have doubts about this because it goes against your intuition, but nothing concrete. Are you saying that you are uncomfortable with the open system version of the first law of thermodynamics?

With regard to the gas entering the valve being pushed from behind, imagine that there is an imaginary membrane separating the gas entering the valve from the gas behind it. The gas behind it acts like a piston to push it into the valve.
 

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