Understanding Diagonalization of Lagrangian: Graduate Mechanics Text Explanation

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The discussion focuses on the diagonalization of the Lagrangian in the context of small oscillations, clarifying that the Lagrangian is a function, not merely a number. It emphasizes that the Lagrangian can be expressed as a quadratic form, L = Q^TAQ, where Q consists of generalized coordinates and velocities. When normal coordinates are used, the matrix A becomes diagonal, simplifying the analysis of the system. The transformation from the original coordinates to normal coordinates facilitates this diagonalization, allowing for easier interpretation of the dynamics. Overall, the diagonalization process is crucial for understanding the behavior of systems in small oscillations.
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My Graduate Mechanics text (Walecka and Fetter) says in the chapter on Small Oscillations, that the Modal Matrix Diagonalizes the Lagrangian

L = \sum_{\sigma=1}^\infty (\dot{\zeta_\sigma}^2 - \omega_\sigma \zeta_\sigma^2)

where \zeta are the normal coordinates related to the original coordinates \eta via the modal matrix.

But as far as I understand, the Lagrangian is simply a number, not a matrix. So what does the diagonalization of the Lagrangian mean.
 
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The Lagrangian is not a number, it's a function. In the case of small oscillations, it happens to be a quadratic form, and it can be written as

L = Q^{T}AQ,

Where Q = (q_1, q_2, ..., q_s, \dot{q}_1, \dot{q}_2, ..., \dot{q}_s). When the q_i are normal coordinates, A becomes a diagonal matrix.
 
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The Lagrangian is not a number, it's a function. In the case of small oscillations, it happens to be a quadratic form, and it can be written as

L = Q^{T}AQ,

Where Q = (q_1, q_2, ..., q_s, \dot{q}_1, \dot{q}_2, ..., \dot{q}_s). When the q_i are normal coordinates, A becomes a diagonal matrix.

Sorry for saying that its a number but I still didn't get it. And I think I basically want to know how can Lagrangian the function be transformed into Lagrangian the matrix. e.g. we have 2L = \dot{\eta}^T m \dot{\eta} - \eta^T v \eta. But the \eta are essentially column vectors, giving me a function in the form of a 1x1 matrix after multiplication. So what does it mean to write the Lagrangian in the form of a matrix
 
Well, its not exactly a matrix. But matrices are not the only things that can be diagonalized. Quadratic forms for example can be diagonalized. If you have some random set of generalized coordinates and velocities X = (x_i, \dot{x}_i), then the Lagrangian for small oscillations is of the form

L = \frac{1}{2}\sum (m_{ik} \dot{x_i} \dot{x_k} - k_{ik} {x_i} {x_k}).

This can be written in matrix notation as L = X^{T}AX, where A is in general not diagonal. This is the modern way of representing quadratic forms. It turns out that there is a specific set of coordinates Q_i in terms of which the Lagrangian simplifies into the form

L = \frac{1}{2}\sum_{\alpha} (\dot{Q_{\alpha}^2} - {\omega_{\alpha}^2} {Q_{\alpha}^2}).

When you write this in the form Q^{T}AQ, A will be a diagonal matrix.
 
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