Understanding Friction and Kinetic Energy: Solving a Skier's Velocity Problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a skier's velocity, friction, and kinetic energy. The original poster presents a scenario where a skier with a mass of 100 kg starts with a velocity of 31.3 m/s and travels a distance of 20 m while experiencing a constant frictional force of 50 N. The focus is on understanding the mathematical reasoning behind the calculations related to kinetic energy and the effects of friction.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply equations related to kinetic energy and work done by friction but expresses confusion about the division by mass in the calculations. Some participants suggest re-evaluating the math and using fundamental units to clarify the reasoning. Others discuss the conservation of energy principle and its application to the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on the use of units and the application of energy conservation principles. There is a recognition of the original poster's confusion, and some clarification has been provided regarding the relationship between force, mass, and energy in the context of the problem.

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The discussion highlights the importance of understanding units in physics problems and the implications of using different forms of the equations related to energy and work. The original poster has access to the correct answers but seeks deeper understanding rather than just confirmation of correctness.

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Well, I've got the right answer on this problem, but I don't know if/why the math makes sense. I feel like I got the right answer by coincidence.

I'm rephrasing the question because it's part of a multipart question.

A skier with mass of 100kg starts at point A with a velocity of 31.3m/s. Find the skier's velocity at point B if the distance between A and B is 20m and a constant frictional force of 50N opposes his motion.



K=1/2mg2

v=√(v02-2μκmgx

Those are the equations I thought relevant.

The first equation, K=1/2mg2 is what I used to get the skier's velocity at A (previous part of the problem), which is 31.3m/s. 31.3m/s is correct; I have the answers.

Also, from the second equation, √(31.32-(2x50Nx20m)/100kg))=30.98m/s ≈ 31m/s

I also know that 31 m/s is correct, because again, I have the answers. But I am particularly confused about why I divided by 100kg. I was trying to find a way to get rid of the "kg" in the Newton unit so I would have like units in both terms. Dividing by 100kg works to make the units match, but I don't understand if/why it works to get the right answer.

I appreciate any guidance. Thanks!
 
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Re do the math - and use the "units of a Newton" as appropriate. On any mathematical problem where units become confusing - make sure you are using the most fundamental units available.
 
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That second equation comes from conservation of energy: The final kinetic energy of the skier is equal to the initial kinetic energy added to the work done on the skier/
The work done is force times displacement. It's negative since the force is inthe opposite direction as the displacement. Since the force is simply given, and you don't have to compute it from the mass of the skier and a friction coefficient, it doesn't involve mass, and you should replace [itex]\mu_k g m[/itex] in your second equation with F (which is 50 Newton)

Since kinetic energy is (1/2)mv^2, conservation of energy means:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}m v_i^2 - F x = \frac{1}{2}m v_f^2[/tex]

divide this by (1/2)m, and you see why you end up with 2 F x/m.
 
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tibug said:
I also know that 31 m/s is correct, because again, I have the answers. But I am particularly confused about why I divided by 100kg.
Check the dimensions of your eqn v = √vo2-2μkmgx.
 
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Thank you very much all of you! I get the concept now. My mind was just stuck in a rut, I think. Once confused, I am not easily unconfused.
 

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