Understanding KVL Equations for Circuit Analysis

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around applying Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) to a circuit analysis problem, specifically focusing on the correct formulation of KVL equations for a given circuit. Participants are examining the relationships between the electromotive forces (emfs) and resistances in the circuit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the signs in the KVL equation as presented in the textbook, with some suggesting that the signs should reflect the direction of current flow through the voltage sources. There is also a request for clarification regarding a specific notation in the circuit diagram.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring different interpretations of the KVL equations and discussing the correctness of the textbook's formulation. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the textbook's approach, with suggestions for alternative formulations being presented.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of missing work from the original poster, which complicates the ability of others to provide assistance. Additionally, the discussion includes a reference to specific circuit elements and their roles in the KVL analysis.

Tiziano

Homework Statement


The following circuit is given.
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I intend to calculate the current in every resistor (every quantity except i1, i2, i3, is known).

My textbook states that ℰ3-ℰ1 = (R1+R2+R3+R4+2r)*i, but I think it should be -ℰ3+ℰ1 on the left-hand side, since the current enters the negative and leaves the positive terminal of ℰ1 and does the opposite with ℰ3.

Homework Equations


Ohm's generalized law for a closed circuit (the algebric sum of the emf's equals R*i, where R is the total resistance)

The Attempt at a Solution


I've simply computed the same equation of the book, but I don't understand why my signs are wrong.
 
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Since you did not show any work, it is difficult to help you.

It is also not clear what is indicated by the curved arrow across the middle leg just below C. What are we to suppose this is?
 
My textbook states that ℰ3-ℰ1 = (R1+R2+R3+R4+2r)*i, but I think it should be -ℰ3+ℰ1 on the left-hand side, since the current enters the negative and leaves the positive terminal of ℰ1 and does the opposite with ℰ3.
Isn't that what they did? (change sides change sign).

The rule is: the sum of the voltages is zero. So, for the big loop:
##\mathscr{E}_1 -R_1i_1 -R_2i_3 -\mathscr{E}_3 +r i_3 +R_4i_3 +R_3i_1 +ri_1 = 0## ... tidy it up, and express as emf = other stuff.

I don't think that ℰ3-ℰ1 = (R1+R2+R3+R4+2r)*i is correct as written though.
 
Hi Tiziano,

To me it looks like you're writing KVL equations for loop analysis of the circuit using loops as follows:
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Is this correct?

If so, I agree with you that the book's equation 3-ℰ1 = (R1+R2+R3+R4+2r)*i does not handle the voltage sources correctly for the given loop with current i (shown in blue above), and that your own version is correct.
 

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