Understanding Naming Compounds and Isomers | Common Chemistry Questions

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The discussion revolves around the naming of chemical compounds, specifically hydrocarbons and coordination compounds, as well as the concepts of structural and geometric isomers. Participants seek clarification on the rules and principles governing these topics.

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  • One participant inquires about the key elements in naming hydrocarbons, specifically asking if it involves counting carbon and hydrogen atoms and determining which element is prioritized.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the difference between structural and geometric isomers, initially believing geometric isomers must have different shapes.
  • A participant provides a hint for naming hydrocarbons, suggesting to first identify the longest carbon chain and how branches affect the name, proposing the name 2-methylprop-2-ene for a specific structure.
  • A later reply corrects the proposed name to 2-methylpent-2-ene, indicating a potential disagreement on the correct naming convention.
  • Additional questions are raised about naming coordination compounds, with specific examples provided for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct naming of the hydrocarbon structure, as one participant corrects another's proposed name. The discussion on isomers remains unresolved, with differing interpretations of their definitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the rules for naming compounds and the definitions of isomers, indicating a reliance on specific examples and potential gaps in understanding the broader principles.

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thought I'd ask here too..I have 2 quick questions.

One is on naming compounds (hydrocarbons)

a) CH3 - C = CH - CH2 - CH3
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CH3

(the CH3 should be under the C)

what's the key? is number one counting up how many C and H's there are? which element is first?

my second question is on structural and geometric isomers. I've read up on both but just when I think I understand I read something else and it confuses me. In one or two lines, what's the difference?
I thought it was simply a geometric isomer would have to be GEOMETRICALLY shaped differently, but apparently that is not true.

Thanks
 
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BH20 said:
thought I'd ask here too..I have 2 quick questions.

One is on naming compounds (hydrocarbons)

a) CH3 - C = CH - CH2 - CH3
|
CH3

(the CH3 should be under the C)

what's the key? is number one counting up how many C and H's there are? which element is first?

my second question is on structural and geometric isomers. I've read up on both but just when I think I understand I read something else and it confuses me. In one or two lines, what's the difference?
I thought it was simply a geometric isomer would have to be GEOMETRICALLY shaped differently, but apparently that is not true.

Thanks

nm, I figured this out.

however, I don't see how to do it the other way around:

I have some substances and I need to name them.

a) [Cu(Cl4)-2
b) Ag(NH3)+2
c) Cu(NH3)4SO-4
d) Al(H2O)6Cl3

Thanks a lot.
 
BH20 said:
thought I'd ask here too..I have 2 quick questions.

One is on naming compounds (hydrocarbons)

a) CH3 - C = CH - CH2 - CH3
|
CH3

(the CH3 should be under the C)

what's the key? is number one counting up how many C and H's there are? which element is first?
I know you say you can do this but I would like to post a hint for others that may read this.

First count the longest chain of carbon atoms. If the compound (above) did not have the extra branch then it would be pentene. As there is, then it must be added to the name. In this case the branch is off the 2nd (or 4th) carbon atom (but 2nd is used as it is a smaller number). It has one carbon atom in its make up so it is a methyl- branch. Also, because it is an alkene then you need to state the carbon atom where the double bond is.

The full name is, therefore, 2-methylprop-2-ene.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
The Bob said:
The full name is, therefore, 2-methylprop-2-ene.
I'm sure The Bob meant to say 2-methylpent-2-ene
 

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