Understanding the Lens Equation: Fish & Pattern Location

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The discussion revolves around a lens problem involving a small fish placed at the center of a glass sphere and the observation of both the fish and a decorative pattern on the sphere's back side. The subject area includes optics and refraction principles.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply a formula for image distance but expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the underlying concepts. Some participants question the relevance of the image distance and its dependence on the object's location. Others suggest alternative methods, such as using Snell's Law, and raise concerns about the correctness of the original formula used.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is a mix of guidance offered regarding the application of refraction principles and the need for clarity on the observer's distance. Some participants are questioning assumptions about the setup and the measurements involved.

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There is uncertainty regarding the distance of the observer, which may affect the interpretation of where the fish and the pattern are seen. The original poster feels they may be relying too heavily on formulas without fully grasping the concepts.

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i just need a little help with a relatively easy lens question

A small fish is cast into the center of a glass sphere of radius R=5 cm and n=1.5. Where will an observer see the fish? Where will the observer see a decorative pattern painted on the back side of a sphere?

So, I thought I could use the formula to find the image distance i=n-n1/R; and i subtracted 1.0 (n of air) from 1.5, then divided by the radius to find the distance of the image of the fish. For the background pattern, I used 10 cm as the value of "R", because it is the length of the diameter away from the observer.
Am I right in my thinking? I feel like I am just plugging and chugging, rather than really understanding the concept...(so i am not sure it i am even evaluating correctly)
Thank you.
 
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Doesn't the image distance (measured from what?)
depend on the location of the object?

You COULD do this with Snell's Law, if you have too much time ...
 
I thought because the fish was placed in the center of the sphere, the distance of the object would be the distance of the radius. I don't, however, know the distance of the observer. Is there a way to explain where the observer would see the fish and the pattern without that distance? How should I approach this problem?
 
( i = n-n/R is obviously incorrect : a distance [meter] is not equal 1/R [1/m] )

If you don't like Snell ...
[tex]\frac{n_g}{d_{ob}} - \frac{n_a}{d_{im}} = \frac{n_g - n_a}{R}[/tex]
should've been derived in your textbook ("single-surface refraction"):
distances are measured from the front of the glass, closest to person.

draw 2 rays from the fish ... are they deflected at the edge of the glass?

draw 2 rays from the back ... are they deflected at the front of the glass?
 
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