Understanding the physical meaning of phase shift in underdamped systems

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The discussion focuses on understanding the phase shift angle θ in the context of a second-order underdamped system's step response. The user seeks to visualize and measure θ on a graph, knowing it can be calculated analytically as θ = asin(sqrt(1-ζ^2)). They suggest comparing the graphs of underdamped and undamped functions to observe the differences in intersection points with the line y(t)=1. The phase shift angle is emphasized as meaningful only when comparing functions with the same frequencies. Overall, the conversation highlights the relationship between frequency ratios and phase shifts in underdamped systems.
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Hello all

I know that the step response of a second order underdamped system is :
y(t) = 1 – (e^(-ζωn*t) / sin(θ))*sin(ωd*t + θ)

Where sin(θ)= sqrt(1-ζ^2) , ωd = sqrt(ωn^2 – ωn^2 * ζ^2 )

my question is: I can see on the simulation ωd and I can calculate it ,
but I want also to see the phase shift angle θ

I know already that θ= asin(sqrt(1-ζ^2) ) , but this is analytical, can I see and measure it on the graph?

thanks
 

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sin θ = ωdn, which is ratio of a damped frequency and undamped frequency.
You may compare graphs of underdamped and undamped functions:
y1(t)=1-e-ζt⋅sin(ωdt+θ)/sinθ
and
y2(t)=1-sin(ωnt+π/2)

Observe how difference between intersection points of the curves with line y(t)=1 changes throughout oscillations due to different frequencies.
Phase shift angle has a clear meaning in a time domain only if you compare functions having same frequencies.
 
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