Understanding the Work-Energy Theorem for an Electron in a Circular Orbit

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The discussion revolves around the Work-Energy Theorem as it applies to an electron in a circular orbit, focusing on the forces acting on the electron and the implications of these forces on energy calculations.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between force and energy, questioning how the force required to maintain the electron's circular motion relates to its kinetic energy and potential energy. They also discuss the role of the proton's mass and motion in this context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the proton's motion and the implications for calculating work and energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to justify assumptions about the proton's velocity and its effect on the system.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the implications of the angle between force and displacement in the context of work done on the electron. There are indications of confusion regarding the conservation of kinetic and potential energy in this scenario.

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F=mv^2/r, Integral(F<dot>dl)

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the answer is B. Can anyone explain why?
 

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Your F= mv^2/R is the force required to keep the elctron in its circular orbit. What generates that required force?

Hint #2: proton mass is >> electron mass so the proton effectively has very little v. But it has a huge m. Can we neglect the v of the proton in this problem, and if so, why?
 
well, I know that the force causing mv^2/r is kqq/r^2 coulombs law. And the proton is stationary so all the kenetic energy is from the electron. and I'm thinking that the energy of the electron can be calculated using work somehow since it is moving and there is a force on it. but the angle between the force and displacement is always 90, so Fdcos(theta) would always be 0.
 
Why don't you just equate the two forces & see what happens?

You're not exactly right when you say that the proton remains stationary. It also moves, and it has lots of mass so maybe Mv^2/2 of the proton is significant? You're right, it isn't, I just think you should be able to justify your assumption.
 
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well, I'm thinking that the energy of the electron can be calculated using work somehow since it is moving and there is a force on it. but the angle between the force and displacement is always 90, so Fdcos(theta) would always be 0.

Since the k.e. ( 1/2 mv^2) of the electron is not changing, how can there be work done on it continuously? Its potential energy is not changing, and the work done would have to increase one or the other, right? So yes, the angle between the force and the displacement is always 90 deg.
 

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