Unique λ at which X-ray and electron have same energy

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The discussion revolves around deriving an equation to demonstrate that there is a unique wavelength at which X-ray photons and electrons possess the same energy. The subject area includes concepts from quantum mechanics and wave-particle duality, specifically focusing on the energy relationships of photons and electrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationships between energy and wavelength for both X-ray photons and electrons, attempting to equate their energies. There is a discussion about the use of different variables for wavelength and the implications of this choice. Some participants question the clarity of the problem statement and the assumptions made in the derivation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions underlying the problem. Some have suggested that the functions representing the wavelengths of X-rays and electrons intersect, indicating a potential unique solution, while others express uncertainty regarding the clarity of the question and the validity of their approaches.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of ambiguity in the problem statement, and participants are considering how to clarify the question. The use of different variables for wavelength has been noted as a point of confusion that may affect the derivation process.

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Homework Statement


Derive an equation to show that there is a unique wavelength at which X-ray photons and electrons have the same energy. Calculate this wavelength and energy.

Homework Equations


Here's what I thought was relevant. There may be others!

For photons: E = hf = h c / λ

For electrons:
λ = h / p (de Broglie)
K.E. = ½ mv^2
p = mv

The Attempt at a Solution


p = √(2mE)
Substituting in de Broglie
λ = h / √(2mE)
E = h^2 / 2mλ^2

Equating energies
(h c / λ)X-ray = (h^2 / 2mλ^2)electron
Gathering the constants (c, h, 2 and m -- the rest mass of an electron)
(λ)X-ray = (h / 2cm) * (λ^2)electron

... which does not have a unique solution :-(
 
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Doesn't (λ)X-ray = (λ)electron?
 
Thanks Borek :)

(nice hair!)

That's what the question asks the answerer to show so I hope it's true! I don't think I've shown that it is so.

Writing y for (λ)X-ray, x for (λ)electron and lumping the constants together as k my attempt shows, when the X-ray and electron energies are the same,
y = k x^2

Mmm ... the more I read the question the more ambiguous it becomes. Perhaps it would help if you could translate the question into unambiguous language.

Best

Charles
 
Why do you still use two variables for wavelength, when you should use one?
 
Thanks again, Borek.

I need to show that λ = fe(E) and λ = fp(E) intersect before that is legitimate (subscript e for electron, p for photon).

With that requirement now clear ...

For photons:
λ = hc / E
= (hc) * (1 / E)

For electrons:
λ = sqrt(h^2 / 2mE)
= sqrt(h^2 / 2m) * sqrt(1 / E)

Regardless of the constant values, these functions intersect once.

At the intersect the previous equation becomes (thanks!)
λ = (h / 2cm) * (λ^2)
= 2cm / h

and the rest is trivial.
 

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