Unraveling the Mystery of Disappearing Electrons: What You Need to Know

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of electrons seemingly disappearing and reappearing, exploring the nature of electrons in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to virtual particles and the uncertainty principle. Participants seek clarification on these phenomena and their implications in various contexts.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the idea that electrons can disappear and return, seeking clarification on this phenomenon.
  • Another participant references virtual particles as a potential explanation for the behavior of electrons, suggesting that the original question may be addressed through this concept.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of citing sources when discussing scientific claims, arguing that the notion of electrons disappearing is misleading without proper context, particularly distinguishing between regular electrons and special cases like virtual electrons.
  • Another participant questions the validity of claiming that electrons do not follow a defined path in atomic orbitals, prompting a discussion about alternative interpretations of electron behavior.
  • One participant suggests that the uncertainty principle could provide insight into the behavior of electrons under normal circumstances.
  • A later reply challenges the definition of "normal," arguing that in typical electric circuits, electrons are treated as classical free particles, which aligns with classical physics principles like Ohm's law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electrons and their behavior, particularly regarding the interpretation of quantum mechanics and the implications of the uncertainty principle. No consensus is reached on the definitions or implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity in definitions and contexts when discussing electron behavior, particularly distinguishing between classical and quantum perspectives. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in interpreting electron dynamics.

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I just found out that electrons can disappear and return at any giving moment, can someone clarify that for me?
 
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JordanGo said:
I just found out that electrons can disappear and return at any giving moment, can someone clarify that for me?

Where did you find this?

Here's an important advice for newbies on here. When you say "Oh, I heard from such-and-such" or "I found that...", cite your sources explicitly! If you neglect to do that, it is extremely difficult for us to (i) double check if your sources are valid and not some dubious crackpottery (ii) if you read the source correctly or (iii) if you've misinterpreted the source.

Case in point is this one. An "electron" just simply doesn't appear and disappear, unless we're talking about a number of "special" circumstances, such as virtual electrons, quasiparticles, etc. So if we answer "yes" to the question above, it gives a horribly misleading impression that this phenomenon occurs regularly and that's how we view an electron!

You must give your sources when you expect us to address what you have learned. We simply have no ability to read your minds to know what you actually heard/read/etc.

Zz.
 
JordanGo said:
I just found out that electrons can disappear and return at any giving moment, can someone clarify that for me?

As far as I know, it is not possible to prove that an electron in an atomic orbital actually follows a path (from the right of the nucleus to the left, for instance). In the case that it didn't follow a path, what is the other option?
 
Under normal circumstances could you not just resort to the uncertainty principal?
 
NetMage said:
Under normal circumstances could you not just resort to the uncertainty principal?

What is "normal"? In your common electric circuit, the "normal" way is to treat those electrons as a classical free particle gas! That's how you got your Ohm's law! So that's "normal".

Zz.
 

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