Vectors in yz and xz plane dot product, cross product, and angle

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of vector components in the yz and xz planes, specifically focusing on the dot product, cross product, and the angle between two vectors. Participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of trigonometric functions and vector representation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are sharing their calculations for vector components and questioning the correctness of their trigonometric functions. There is an exploration of potential mistakes in the setup of the vectors and the calculations that follow.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing dialogue about the accuracy of the vector components and the results of various calculations. Some participants have suggested revisiting the components before proceeding further, indicating a focus on ensuring foundational accuracy.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the correct application of sine and cosine functions in their calculations, which has led to confusion regarding the components of the vectors. There is a noted lack of consensus on the correct values, with multiple interpretations being explored.

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Homework Statement
Vector ##\vec a## lies in the yz plane 63.0° from the positive direction of the y axis, has a positive z component, and has magnitude ##2.60 m##. Vector ##\vec b## lies in the xz plane 51.0° from the positive direction of the x axis, has a positive z component, and has magnitude ##1.30 m##. Find (a)##\vec a \cdot \vec b## , (b) the x-component of ##\vec a X \vec b## , (c) the y-component of ##\vec a X \vec b## , (d) the z-component of ##\vec a X \vec b## , and (e) the angle between ##\vec a## and ##\vec b## .
Relevant Equations
##a_y =a sin \Phi##
##a_x =a cos \Phi##
##\vec a \cdot \vec b =ab cos \phi##
I tried to find the components of the vectors.

##a_y =2.60 sin 63.0 = 2.32## and assuming the z axis would behave the same as an x-axis ##a_z =2.60 cos 63.0 = 1.18##

##b_z =1.30 sin 51.0 = 1.01## making the same assumption ##b_x =1.3 cos 51.0 = 0.82## I now think I should have switched these two around, seeing the in the positive direction on the zx plane the z looks like the x and the x like the y.

but going further in this logic I attempted (a)

\begin{matrix}
0i & 2.32j & 1.18k\\
0.82i & 0j & 1.01k
\end{matrix}

##0*0.82 + 2.32*0 + 1.18*1.01= 1.19##

(b)
##2.32*1.01 - 1.18 *0 = 2.3##

(c)

##1.18 *0 - 0*1.01= 0##

(d)

##0 *0 - 2.31*0.82= 1.90##

(e)

##\vec a \cdot \vec b =ab cos \phi##
##1.19= 2.6*1.3 cos \phi##
##\phi = 69.4°##
 
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Check your trig functions. Remember that ##\cos\Phi=\dfrac{\text{adjacent}}{\text{hypotenuse}}##.
 
So if I understand my mistake the right answers should be
(a) 0.97 m^{2}
(b) -1.19 m^{2}
(c) -1.90 m^{2}
(d) 2.34 m^{2}
(e) 73.3°

or have I veered way of again?
 
Ursa said:
So if I understand my mistake the right answers should be
(a) 0.97 m^{2}
(b) -1.19 m^{2}
(c) -1.90 m^{2}
(d) 2.34 m^{2}
(e) 73.3°

or have I veered way of again?
That's not what I get.
 
Your answer to (a) is incorrect. That means that your vectors ##\vec a## and/or ##\vec b## are incorrect. What did you change? How about posting them as you did before?
 
... why not just post the components of your two vectors and get those right before going any further.
 
These are the components I came up with

##a_y =2.60 sin 63.0 = 2.32## ##a_x=0## ##a_z =2.60 cos 63.0 = 1.18##

##b_y=0## ##b_x =1.30 sin 51.0 = 1.01## ##b_z =1.3 cos 51.0 = 0.82##
 
Ursa said:
These are the components I came up with

##a_y =2.60 sin 63.0 = 2.32## ##a_x=0## ##a_z =2.60 cos 63.0 = 1.18##

##b_y=0## ##b_x =1.30 sin 51.0 = 1.01## ##b_z =1.3 cos 51.0 = 0.82##
You have sines and cosines mixed up.
 
Ursa said:
These are the components I came up with

##a_y =2.60 sin 63.0 = 2.32## ##a_x=0## ##a_z =2.60 cos 63.0 = 1.18##

##b_y=0## ##b_x =1.30 sin 51.0 = 1.01## ##b_z =1.3 cos 51.0 = 0.82##
See post #2.
 

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