Veritasium - Firing bullet in block - along center and away from cente

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The discussion revolves around a video demonstrating the effects of firing a bullet into a wooden block both at the center and off-center, prompting predictions about the height each block will achieve. Participants explore concepts of momentum and energy conservation, questioning whether linear momentum is conserved in the presence of angular momentum. It is concluded that while linear momentum remains conserved, the energy loss differs between the two scenarios, with less energy loss occurring in the off-center case due to the rotation of the block. This leads to the understanding that the off-center bullet allows for both linear speed and rotation without significant energy loss. The key takeaway is that the dynamics of the collisions result in different energy conservation outcomes based on the bullet's point of impact.
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This question is about this video on YouTube, in which a bullet is fired vertically into the center of a wooden block from below, sending the block up into the air. Next, a bullet is fired vertically but off-center into a similar block from below, again causing the block to rise into the air, but simultaneously to rotate. The video asks for a prediction as to which block will rise higher.

Please also post your initial guess along with answer.

My first guess was that air friction decreases when object is rotating, but now I think that's not true (is it?).

Someone please shed some light on this.

Is it possible that the first bullet went deeper inside the first block and thus the first block had lesser kinetic energy than expected?
 
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hi cupid.callin! :smile:

hint: consider momentum, consider energy :wink:

(i think you can ignore air resistance)
 
I know that momentum will be conserved and this in both cases linear momentum will be same after and before the collision, But I am having second thoughts about this idea, is linear momentum conserved even if angular momentum is present?

I mean, suppose that energy L is lost due to inelastic collision. So for first case,

PE_i + KE_i = PE_f + KE_f + L

Suppose that just before collision, Center of mass is at zero potential level

K = P + L

For second case,

PE_i + KE_i = PE_f + KE_{f,translational} + KE_{f,rotational} + L

and if we consider same as above,

K = P + KE_f,rotational + L

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Then only explanation I can think of is that L is not same in both cases and that bullet goes deeper in first case
 
hi cupid.callin! :smile:
cupid.callin said:
I know that momentum will be conserved and this in both cases linear momentum will be same after and before the collision, But I am having second thoughts about this idea, is linear momentum conserved even if angular momentum is present?

yes, linear momentum is always conserved in collisions

(in any direction in which there is no external impulse)

Then only explanation I can think of is that L is not same in both cases and that bullet goes deeper in first case

i think you can assume that the energy loss is the same in both cases

ok, you know that the initial momentum (after the collision) is the same in both cases

so you know that the initial energy (after the collision) is also the same in both cases

sooo … :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
i think you can assume that the energy loss is the same in both cases
No. There is less loss of energy in the off-centre case. That is how it is possible for the linear speed to be the same yet rotation also to occur.
 
haruspex said:
No. There is less loss of energy in the off-centre case. That is how it is possible for the linear speed to be the same yet rotation also to occur.

Good answer! Energy loss due to friction MUST be less in the off-center collision. Momentum conservation demands it.
 
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