Very Naïve Question About Electric Circuits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric circuits, specifically focusing on a scenario where a button controls two light bulbs connected via a forked wire. Participants explore the implications of a short circuit versus an open circuit and how these conditions affect the operation of the bulbs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Howard describes a circuit with a button and two light bulbs connected via a forked wire, questioning the effects of a short circuit in one branch.
  • One participant suggests that the scenario described resembles an open circuit rather than a short circuit, noting that typically, bulbs wired in parallel would not illuminate one while the other fails due to a short.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the bulbs are wired in series, a short could lead to the symptoms Howard describes, but emphasizes that the actual behavior depends on the specific circuit configuration.
  • Howard seeks clarification on whether the wiring configuration (series or parallel) affects the outcome when there is a break in the wire, and proposes several scenarios regarding the behavior of the bulbs under different conditions.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of a short versus a break in the circuit, outlining potential outcomes for both series and parallel configurations.
  • One participant introduces a metaphor comparing electricity flow to water pressure, suggesting that electricity does not travel through a short or open circuit to find a path of least resistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the circuit and the effects of shorts and breaks, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the correct interpretation of the scenario.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of circuit configuration in determining the behavior of connected components, but lacks definitive conclusions on the implications of specific faults in the wiring.

Howard Nye
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Hi all,

I’m deeply ignorant about how electricity works. I just wanted to confirm that the following was possible:

I have a button on one end of a wire. The wire stays unified for about 3 feet, then forks into a right section and a left section, each of which is about 3 feet long, and each of which is connected to a different light-bulb. Pressing the button closes a circuit that causes current to travel to both light-bulbs and illuminate them. One day, there is a short in the right fork of the wire. So now when I push the button the light-bulb connected to the left fork of the wire illuminates but the light-bulb connected to the right fork of the wire does not illuminate.

Is that what would happen with the short in the right hand fork of the wire? I thought it was, but in my ignorance I wasn’t sure if this could screw up the circuit on the left hand of the fork, and I wasn’t sure if this sort of Y-shaped circuit was even possible.

Thanks so much,
Howard
 
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What you describe sounds more like an open circuit/broken wire than a short circuit.

Normally light bulbs are wired in parallel and a short circuit of the type you describe wouldn't cause one to work and the other not. Instead it would most likely stop both bulbs working and blow a fuse in the power supply.

If the bulbs are wired in series (eg two 6V bulbs connected to a 12V battery) then a short might cause the symptoms you describe.

Hard to say really as it depends not only on the electrical circuit but the physical layout. If this were house wiring the short might not even be within the circuit but between this and another circuit.
 
Hi CWatters,

Thank you very much! Yes, I think I meant a broken wire / open circuit, and I think I had in mind them being wired in series, e.g. by both being connected to the same battery.

So if it's just a broken wire - i.e. if there was a break in the right fork of the wire but not the left - would it matter whether the bulbs were wired in series or parallel? Would in both cases the switch turn on both bulbs before the break, but only the bulb connected to the left fork of the wire after the break?

Thanks again!
Howard
 
Howard Nye said:
Hi CWatters,

Thank you very much! Yes, I think I meant a broken wire / open circuit, and I think I had in mind them being wired in series, e.g. by both being connected to the same battery.

So if it's just a broken wire - i.e. if there was a break in the right fork of the wire but not the left - would it matter whether the bulbs were wired in series or parallel?

Thinking about it some more, the symptoms you describe are most likely consistent with

a) Parallel connection and a break

and less likely to be (with reason)..

b) Series connection and a short (the good bulb would be brighter than normal or fail due to over voltage).
c) Series connection and a break (both lamps would go out)
d) Parallel connection and a short (fuse would blow)

Whichever the fault is most likely to be in the leg that's not lit. Check the bulb first :-)
 
electricity won't travel through a short/ground or open circuit to find the path of least resistance, as (air is highly resistant to electricity)

it illuminates a bulb like water pressure on a water wheel/mill (to perform power) but/through a wire
 
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