Virtual particles and Gauss's Law

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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss's Law in the context of virtual particles, particularly in relation to the electric field generated by a real proton. Participants explore the implications of virtual charges and their contributions to the net charge within a Gaussian surface, considering concepts such as charge screening and the effects of virtual particle pairs.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Gauss's Law applies to virtual particles and if the net charge includes contributions from virtual charges within a closed surface.
  • Another participant asserts that all virtual charges cancel out due to their production in pairs, affecting the Coulomb field in a non-traditional manner, leading to a singular behavior at the origin.
  • A different participant inquires about the possibility of calculating charge screening using the virtual particle model and suggests that virtual charges may be polarized, leading to an imbalance of negative charges inside versus outside the Gaussian surface.
  • Another participant introduces a technical perspective on quantizing QED using the temporal gauge, emphasizing that physical states respect the Gauss law constraint.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the contributions of virtual particles to Gauss's Law, with some asserting that all virtual charges cancel while others suggest that polarization effects could lead to an imbalance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these viewpoints.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific technical aspects of quantum electrodynamics (QED) and the behavior of virtual particles, indicating a reliance on certain assumptions about charge interactions and the nature of virtual pairs. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of these concepts.

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Does Gauss's Law apply to virtual particles?

For example, when computing the field around a real proton, is the net charge in Gauss's Law the proton charge plus the contribution of all the virtual charges within the closed surface?

(I'm thinking about the screening of charges by virtual charges. I realize the contribution of most virtual charges will cancel.)
 
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For example, when computing the field around a real proton, is the net charge in Gauss's Law the proton charge plus the contribution of all the virtual charges within the closed surface? (I'm thinking about the screening of charges by virtual charges. I realize the contribution of most virtual charges will cancel.)
This is an interesting point, PP. Not just most of the virtual charges cancel, all of them do. They are produced in pairs, and there's exactly as many positive ones as negative ones. They do affect the Coulomb field, but not in the way that's usually visualized. Most people think of the screening as a gradual thing. That is, as you approach the origin you would gradually see more and more charge. Not so. Picture the virtual pairs as little dipoles pointing toward the origin. By symmetry the field they produce adds up to zero. Everywhere except the origin, where it is singular. And in fact if you use QED to calculate the leading radiative correction to a Coulomb field, that's what you get:

V(r) = e2/r + C δ(x)

where C is a constant. The correction to the potential is a three-dimensional delta function. If this is a proton we're talking about, the only electron orbitals affected by the extra term are the S wave electrons, whose wavefunction at the origin does not vanish. The effect produced by this is the well-known Lamb shift.
 
Thanks. I was wondering could one calculate the screening from the virtual particle model?

Seconding, I was wondering do all the virtual charges vanish within the gaussian suface? The virtual charges will be polarised and so, if you thinking of the charges that intersect the gaussian surface, there must be more negative inside the surface than outside. That's assuming we're talking about the screening round a proton.
 
Using the temporal gauge A°(x)=0 one can quantize QED using physical states which are in the kernel of the Gauss law, i.e. G(x)|phys> = 0. So the physical Hamiltonian, physical electrons, positrons and photons always respect the Gauss law constraint.
 

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