Voltage in RL Circuit Series: Why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of voltage in an RL circuit consisting of a battery, a resistor, and an inductor, particularly focusing on the concept of induced voltage and current direction as the current increases. Participants explore the implications of Lenz's Law and the relationship between voltage and current in inductors versus resistors.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about which end of the inductor has a higher voltage when current is increasing, questioning the relationship between induced current and voltage.
  • Another participant references Lenz's Law, suggesting that the induced voltage opposes the source and raises the voltage at one end of the resistor to reduce current flow.
  • A different viewpoint is presented, arguing that the inductor creates an induced emf rather than an induced current, emphasizing that the current in the circuit is determined by the sum of all emfs and resistances.
  • It is noted that the voltage across an inductor is proportional to the rate of change of current, leading to the conclusion that the higher voltage end of the inductor is where the current enters when increasing.
  • Participants acknowledge the challenges with signs and the importance of clear diagrams to avoid confusion in understanding the circuit behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of induced current and emf in inductors, leading to an unresolved discussion regarding the interpretation of voltage behavior in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the signs and directionality of current and voltage in the circuit, as well as the definitions of induced current versus induced emf, which remain unresolved.

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Suppose there is a circuit consisting of a battery, a resistor, and an inductor, and that there is initially no current. As current is increasing, the inductor creates an induced current in the opposite direction. I am confused as to which end of the inductor is at a higher voltage. Since the induced current is in the opposite direction as the natural current, shouldn't the natural current enter the inductor through the lower voltage end? I know this is not true because this would mean that there is an increase in voltage which would completely change the differential equation using Kirchoff. Why is the end of the inductor that the current first enters the higher voltage end?
 
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Lenz' Law tells you that the induced voltage opposes the source. So the back emf (so called) will raise the voltage the L end of the resistor, to reduce the current that would flow if the L were just a piece of wire. If you have a very high Inductance, there could be no detectable current.
the Lenz law thing can be confusing at first but following the rule, 'verbally' can often tell you the result. It's not always at all obvious is you just try to follow intuition.
 
Jzhang27143 said:
..., the inductor creates an induced current in the opposite direction. ...
For what it's worth, I don't believe the inductor creates an induced current: I believe it creates an induced emf. I believe there is only one current in the circuit and that it depends on the sum of all the emfs and resistances.
The only emf across the ideal inductance would be the induced emf and it would not generate its own current, but simply help determine the circuit current.

Jzhang27143 said:
Why is the end of the inductor that the current first enters the higher voltage end?
Because it is not a resistor (assuming we are talking ideal elements.)
Accepting your terminology:
The voltage across a resistor is always proportional to the current and the current enters at the higher voltage end.
The voltage across an inductance is proportional to the rate of change of current, not to the current itself. When the current is increasing, the higher voltage end will be where the current enters, when the current is decreasing, it will be the end where the current is leaving.
 
We do have a lot of problems with signs, don't we? (Me too sir)
That's when drawing diagrams (or having them in your head - if you can) can be so important. If you actually say to yourself, the time worn phrases about these things and then add arrows and +- signs to the diagram, accordingly, then things can become a lot clearer. It's very easy to get locked into a nonsense conclusion if you don't follow things through from the basics and rely on that fickle friend intuition.
 

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