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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of the region between two paraboloids defined by the equations z1=2x²+2y²-2 and z2=10-x²-y², using Cartesian coordinates. Participants are exploring integration techniques to compute this volume.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up a double integral based on the intersection of the two paraboloids and questions the correctness of their integration limits and method.
  • Some participants suggest using trigonometric substitution to simplify the integral.
  • Others propose switching to cylindrical coordinates, noting the transformation of the equations and the differential area element.
  • Concerns are raised about obtaining a negative volume and the implications of that result.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods of integration and questioning the validity of their results. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but multiple strategies are being examined, including Cartesian and cylindrical coordinates.

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Participants note that the problem specifies the use of Cartesian coordinates, which influences their approach despite suggestions for cylindrical coordinates. There is also uncertainty regarding the correctness of the integrals derived from different methods.

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Find the volume of the region between the two paraboloids z1=2x2+2y2-2 and z2=10-x2-y2 using Cartesian coordinates.

I let z1 = z2 and solved this to get the intersection of the two paraboloids which gave y2+x2=4 (Which I can also use as my domain for integration?)

So the volume of the area between them would be the double integral of z2-z1 dA (where dA = dxdy)

x goes from -(4-y2)1/2 to (4-y2)1/2 and y goes from -2 to 2.

so integrating z2-z1 with respect to x first and plugging in the terminals (after some algebra which I hope I've done right) condenses to 4(4-y2)3/2 now I need to integrate this with respect to y from -2 to 2.

I don't know how to solve that integral, I've tried parts and looking up tables. If I've stuffed up somewhere or have done this completely wrong any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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To work out the integral start with a trig substitution, like y=2*sin(t). Then use a double angle formula to deal with things like cos^2.
 
I end up with 64 times the integral from -(pi/2) to (pi/2) of (cos(t))^4 dt.

Is this right?

*I found the solution to this using trig identities (24pi), but have I ended up with the right integral?*
 
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Or use cylindrical coordinates. z= 2x^2+ 2y^2- 2 becomes z= 2r^2- 2 and z= 10- x^2- y^2 becomes z= 10- r^2. Of course, the "differential of area" for the xy-plane is r dr d\theta in cylindrical coordinates so the integral is
\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r= 0}^2 [(10- r^2)- (2r^2- 2)]drd\theta
= \int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r= 0}^2 (12- r^2)r drd\theta
= 12\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r= 0}^2 (r- r^2) drd\theta
 
I would use cylindrical coordinates usually but the question says explicitly to use Cartesian. And also doing the integration you suggested I get -16pi. How can the volume be negative? (I always feel so bad questioning you!)
 
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forty said:
I end up with 64 times the integral from -(pi/2) to (pi/2) of (cos(t))^4 dt.

Is this right?

*I found the solution to this using trig identities (24pi), but have I ended up with the right integral?*

That looks right to me. Hall's integrand should have been 12-3*r^2. It works out to be the same thing.
 
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