Volumes of Irregular Shapes by Integration

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The discussion revolves around determining the volume of irregular shapes defined by equations in the x-y plane and their elevation described by another equation. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and integration techniques, particularly focusing on the use of double integrals and potential coordinate transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the volume of a shape defined by a parabolic equation in the x-y plane and an elevation described by a circular function.
  • Another participant suggests that the bounds of integration must be functions rather than constants and provides a double integral formulation for the volume calculation.
  • A third participant acknowledges the need for function-based bounds and expresses intent to explore polar coordinates as a potential solution.
  • A later reply challenges the initial premise, arguing that the described shape does not constitute a solid and suggests the need for additional boundaries to define a volume properly.
  • This participant proposes a specific integral setup involving the intersection of two curves to calculate the volume, indicating a different approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of calculating the volume based on the initial description. While some agree on the necessity of function-based bounds, others contest the validity of the shape as a solid, leading to unresolved disagreements regarding the approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the initial problem setup, particularly regarding the definition of a solid and the need for additional boundaries to calculate volume accurately. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the integration process.

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Hi all,

Is it possible to determine the volume of a shape where, in the x and y dimensions, the shape is described by an equation, and then its elevation is described by another equation?

An example would be a parabola in the x-y plane whose elevation is based on another parabolic function. For example let's say y=x^2+4 from x=-2 to x=2 with an elevation determined by a circle of radius 4 (so zero elevation at the apex and the x-axis). Meaning z=\sqrt{16-y^2} (independent of x).

Can I get this volume by integration, or would I just need to apply some kind of finite element approach? Thanks in advance; most all of the volume integrals I could find online or in a text are just volumes of revolution.
 
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yes, in order to do this it requires that the bounds of integration be functions instead of numbers.

\int_{x_{0}}^{x_{1}}\int_{y_{0}(x)}^{y_{1}(x)}z(x,y) dydx

here y1(x) is greater than y0(x) throughout the interval where x0<x<x1
look up "double integrals" for more.

also, given your problem it would be far easier to use a change of coordinates(most likely polar coordinates)
 
Ah yes. I knew I was missing something (it requires that the bounds of integration be functions instead of numbers). I was having trouble making that mental leap. And I will look into the polar coordinates. I hadn't thought of those for a few years :). Thanks!
 
labeattie said:
Hi all,

Is it possible to determine the volume of a shape where, in the x and y dimensions, the shape is described by an equation, and then its elevation is described by another equation?

An example would be a parabola in the x-y plane whose elevation is based on another parabolic function. For example let's say y=x^2+4 from x=-2 to x=2 with an elevation determined by a circle of radius 4 (so zero elevation at the apex and the x-axis). Meaning z=\sqrt{16-y^2} (independent of x).
The problem here is that this is not a solid at all. With just the information that "y= x^2+ 4", (x, y) is restricted to that parabola and adding z (height) just gives a "wall" which has area, not volume. Perhaps you meant to add another boundary and have x and y inside the bounded region? Say "y between y= x^2+ 4 and y= 12- x^2. Those two curves intersect at (-2, 8) and (2, 8). With height \sqrt{16- y^2}, the volume is given by \int_{x= -2}^2\int_{y= x^2+ 4}^{12- x^2}\sqrt{16- y^2} dy dx

Can I get this volume by integration, or would I just need to apply some kind of finite element approach? Thanks in advance; most all of the volume integrals I could find online or in a text are just volumes of revolution.
 

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