Watching young's double slit experiment in moving frame

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects observed in Young's double slit experiment when viewed from a moving frame, particularly focusing on the implications of relativistic effects such as the Doppler effect and length contraction. Participants explore how these factors might alter the interference pattern compared to an observer at rest, considering both light and electron beams.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the wavelength of incoming light will change due to the Doppler effect, while others argue that the motion of the observer does not affect the wavelength, leading to no change in the fringe pattern.
  • One participant suggests that the space between the slit and screen will be contracted due to relativistic effects.
  • Another participant notes that the double slit formula does not depend on frequency, implying that Newtonian predictions about wavelength constancy may hold under certain conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the effects of Doppler shift and length contraction on fringe width, with one participant providing a mathematical expression for how these effects interact.
  • Some participants highlight that the direction of motion may influence the Doppler shift differently for various scenarios, complicating the analysis.
  • One participant raises the idea that the derivation of interference maxima positions must consider path differences that include components parallel and transverse to the direction of motion.
  • Another participant mentions that the phase of the waves must remain Lorentz invariant, suggesting that the conditions for constructive and destructive interference are preserved under relativistic transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the interference pattern remains unchanged in a moving frame, with some asserting that it does while others contend that relativistic effects lead to observable differences. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the relative velocities involved (v << c) and the dependence of results on the specific configuration of the experimental setup, such as the orientation of the slits relative to the direction of motion.

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Suppose an observer is moving at some constant velocity(<< c) and observing the young's double slit experiment. What changes will it observe compared to an observer at rest? This is what i could make out :
1) The wavelength of incoming light will change (doppler effect)
2) By the intuition that interference pattern will be the same, the moving slit somehow cancels the doppler effect, hence same pattern for the both the observers.

also how will things change if its an electron beam.
 
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The space between slit and screen will be contracted.
 
The double slit formula doesn't depend on frequency, only on wavelength. Newtonian physics would predict that the wavelength is constant, so the speed of light must change to compensate for the frequency change. So Newtonian physics makes the intuitively correct prediction, as long as you don't measure the speed of light.

I have no idea what the experimental result is, since the real world is special relativistic.
 
As far as i know, wavelength changes only when the source moves (if v<<c). Motion of observer doesn't change the wavelength. Thus, no change in fringe pattern will be observed.
 
So, using doppler effect for wavelength ( \lambda&#039; = \sqrt{\frac{1+\beta }{1-\beta}} \lambda)
and length contraction for the space between slit and screen(D' = \frac{D}{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}}),

i got w' = (1 + \beta) w
where w is the fringe width for the stationary observer and w' for the moving chap.

Here the effects don't cancel out, please correct me.
 
your point is correct only iff we take 'v' to be comparable to 'c'. But in your question in the beginning you have mentioned that v<<c
 
I agree that in non-relativistic case, the pattern won't change. But in the relativistic case, let's say I mark the peaks (seen from the stationary frame), and then I perform this experiment, will the peaks come closer relative to the marks? The formula suggests it to be so.
 
The Doppler shift varies directionally.
 
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Sourabh N said:
Suppose an observer is moving at some constant velocity(<< c) and observing the young's double slit experiment. What changes will it observe compared to an observer at rest? This is what i could make out :
1) The wavelength of incoming light will change (doppler effect)
2) By the intuition that interference pattern will be the same, the moving slit somehow cancels the doppler effect, hence same pattern for the both the observers.

also how will things change if its an electron beam.

I think that you could mention how is located the line that joins the two slits. If it is normal to the direction of relative motion the the distance between them is unchanged and we deal with a longitudinal Doppler shift of the two incident rays. Other scenarios are also possible which are more complicated.
 
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The derivation of the positions of the interference maxima requires that the path difference to an interference maximum be some integral multiple of 2*pi (or something like that). The path differences to different orders of maxima contain different amounts of components parallel and transverse to the direction of motion. Perhaps this should be taken into account.
 
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Looks like the non-central maxima will also involve a mix of transverse and longitudinal Doppler effects?
 
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In any experiment involving waves what is measured is the phase of the waves at a given point, so the phase must be a Lorentz invariant. In the case of the double-slit you get a bright band when the waves from the two slits are in phase and a dark band when they are out of phase. The phase is given by: φ = ωt-k.x but since (t,x) is a four-vector the phase can also be written φ = (ω,k).(t,x). Since φ is a Lorentz invariant, and since (t,x) is a four-vector, then (ω,k) is manifestly also a four-vector and is known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_vector" .
 
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