Weird question about dividing by zero

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The discussion revolves around the implications and interpretations of dividing by zero, particularly focusing on the expression (\frac{a}{b}) / (\frac{1}{0}). Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind why dividing by zero is considered undefined and the potential outcomes when using computational tools like Wolfram Alpha.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the expression (\frac{a}{b}) / (\frac{1}{0}) and suggests it leads to a contradiction, seeking clarification on where their reasoning might be flawed.
  • Another participant asserts that dividing by zero leads to trouble and challenges the assumption that the fraction simplifies to zero.
  • Some participants note that computational tools like Wolfram Alpha may provide results that seem to imply dividing by zero yields a defined outcome, such as complex infinity, which raises concerns about the accuracy of such interpretations.
  • There is a suggestion that the definition of 1/0 as infinity in computational contexts may lead to misunderstandings, and some express skepticism about this approach.
  • One participant emphasizes the impossibility of dividing by zero, advocating for a clear stance against its validity despite computational results suggesting otherwise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of dividing by zero, with some agreeing that it is undefined while others point to computational outputs that suggest alternative interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these computational results.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of computational tools in handling expressions involving division by zero, noting that the definitions and outputs may not align with traditional mathematical principles.

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Ok let a and b be non zero numbers

([itex]\frac{a}{b}[/itex]) / ([itex]\frac{1}{0}[/itex])=0

But shouldn't that be undefined since you would get a fraction like this [itex]\frac{1}{0}[/itex] which isn't allowed. Since it got us to a "wrong" answer, that would mean our assumption was wrong. Please tell me where I went wrong.Not homework just got thinking about how 1/0 is undefined while 0/1 isn't

(I typed everything wrong please look below)
 
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0/1 is just 0. It's when you divided by 0/1 (and hence divided by 0) that you get trouble. Why do you think the fraction you wrote down is equal to zero?
 
Office_Shredder said:
0/1 is just 0. It's when you divided by 0/1 (and hence divided by 0) that you get trouble. Why do you think the fraction you wrote down is equal to zero?

I checked it on my calculator (or at least i thought I did) and it said 0. I did the inverse calculation (1/0) which I think makes more sense now.

Why is it that when I divide x by 1/0 I get 0 instead of an undefined answer

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(a/b)/(1/0)

So please ignore my error in typing. I'm going to go edit it.
 
It could be wolfram alpha is too smart for its own good
[tex]\frac{a/b}{1/0} = \frac{a}{b} \frac{0}{1} = 0[/tex]

Of course writing 1/(1/0) = 0/1 doesn't make any sense, but you can easily imagine a computer program not caring about that when it simplifies fractions.

However that's not the case here specifically

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1/0

1/0 is defined by wolfram alpha as complex infinity (in the complex plane, all the infinities are actually the same, as opposed to in the real case where it's natural to talk about positive and negative infinity). So basically you're asking for (a/b)/infinity and of course when you divide by infinity you get zero.

I think it's a poor job by wolfram alpha to define 1/0 as infinity like that to be honest, but it's probably done for added flexibility in performing other calculations
 
Office_Shredder said:
It could be wolfram alpha is too smart for its own good
[tex]\frac{a/b}{1/0} = \frac{a}{b} \frac{0}{1} = 0[/tex]

Of course writing 1/(1/0) = 0/1 doesn't make any sense, but you can easily imagine a computer program not caring about that when it simplifies fractions.

However that's not the case here specifically

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1/0

1/0 is defined by wolfram alpha as complex infinity (in the complex plane, all the infinities are actually the same, as opposed to in the real case where it's natural to talk about positive and negative infinity). So basically you're asking for (a/b)/infinity and of course when you divide by infinity you get zero.

I think it's a poor job by wolfram alpha to define 1/0 as infinity like that to be honest, but it's probably done for added flexibility in performing other calculations

I agree with everything you said. But shouldn't we stop and say 1/0 is impossible. Stop the presses!

I checked on other calculators as well. like a google search and my personal calculator. It must be a computation thing.
 

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