Weird stuff on infinite numerical sequences in a Soviet book

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The discussion revolves around a sequence presented in a Soviet calculus book, specifically examining the legitimacy of a term in the sequence that involves division by zero. Participants explore the implications of defining sequences and the conditions under which certain terms may or may not be included.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the legitimacy of a term in the sequence that has a coefficient of 1/0, suggesting it feels problematic.
  • Another participant proposes starting the sequence at n=2 instead of n=1, arguing that omitting finitely many terms is often acceptable in analysis.
  • Some participants express discomfort with the definition of an infinite numerical sequence, noting that the first term does not correspond to a natural number in the given expression.
  • There is a suggestion that sequences can be defined on any infinite subset of natural numbers, with examples provided for starting points and types of numbers (odd, even, prime).
  • Participants emphasize the importance of clarifying any restrictions on n when defining sequences.
  • One participant notes that the pattern discussed only applies for n>1, indicating that y1 must be treated separately if absolute values are considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the legitimacy of the sequence's definition and the treatment of specific terms. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of including the term with division by zero, and multiple viewpoints on how to define sequences based on different starting points remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the absence of restrictions in the book regarding the definition of the sequence, which may lead to confusion. The discussion also reflects on the implications of defining sequences based on different subsets of natural numbers.

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It looks like an undefined operation
The book is Calculus: Basic Concepts for High School
on the first page you are given the following sequence:

1, -1, 1/3, -1/3, 1/5, -1/5, 1/7, -1/7, ...

several pages later the rule is given:

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in the second rule, for the first term in the sequence, the coefficient of one of the terms is 1/0. How legitimate is this?
 
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Start with ##n=2## instead of ##n=1## or make a shift. For most purposes in analysis, leaving out finitely many terms of a sequence doesn't matter since we are mostly interested in the tail of the sequence.
 
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Math_QED said:
Start with ##n=2## instead of ##n=0## or make a shift. For most purposes in analysis, leaving out finitely many terms of a sequence doesn't matter since we are mostly interested in the tail of the sequence.
It still feels weird. On the previous page the author gives his definition of an infinite numerical sequence as a rule assigning every natural number to a definite term in the sequence, but 1 doesn't correspond with anything, at least for the given expression. But I see what you mean
 
inthenickoftime said:
It still feels weird. On the previous page the author gives his definition of an infinite numerical sequence as a rule assigning every natural number to a definite term in the sequence, but 1 doesn't correspond with anything, at least for the given expression. But I see what you mean
You can define a sequence on any infinite subset of the natural numbers. In other words, you can do things like:

Define the sequence for ##n = n_0, n_0 +1, n_0 + 2 \dots##, where ##n_0## can be any starting number.

Define the sequence for odd, even or square or prime ##n##. For example, you could define a sequence as ##a_n##, where ##n## is prime.

That said, in all these cases you ought to make clear the restriction on ##n##. E.g. ##n \ge 2## or ##n## even or ##n## prime etc.
 
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PeroK said:
You can define a sequence on any infinite subset of the natural numbers. In other words, you can do things like:

Define the sequence for ##n = n_0, n_0 +1, n_0 + 2 \dots##, where ##n_0## can be any starting number.

Define the sequence for odd, even or square or prime ##n##. For example, you could define a sequence as ##a_n##, where ##n## is prime.

That said, in all these cases you ought to make clear the restriction on ##n##. E.g. ##n \ge 2## or ##n## even or ##n## prime etc.
No restrictions were given. You can check the book online for free, it was rewritten in modern style. Too bad as I was really looking forward to it.
 
The yn pattern listed there only applies to n>1, for y1 it does not apply. If you care about the absolute value of the limit you need to consider y1 separately, if you only care about convergence you do not.
 
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