What are some applications of Lie derivative in physics?

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The discussion revolves around the applications of the Lie derivative in physics, particularly in the context of geometry and topology. Participants explore various examples and theoretical implications of the Lie derivative in different physical scenarios.

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  • One participant mentions angular velocity as a familiar application of the Lie derivative.
  • Another suggests that the Lie derivative can be used to prove the Poincaré Lemma and compute local potentials of closed differential forms.
  • It is noted that the Lie derivative represents the commutator of two flows, with a traditional example involving parallel parking.
  • Participants discuss the role of the Lie derivative in defining Killing vectors in general relativity, which relate to conserved quantities along the trajectories of freely falling particles.
  • A specific example is provided where a Killing field in Minkowski space-time is described, highlighting the generators of translations and Lorentz transformations.
  • One participant suggests looking into the exterior derivative as another important concept in physics, particularly in relation to differential topology and cohomology.

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Participants generally agree on the usefulness of the Lie derivative in various contexts, but there is no consensus on a singular application or interpretation, as multiple examples and theoretical frameworks are presented.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical concepts and their applications, but does not resolve the complexities or dependencies inherent in these applications.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in the intersection of geometry, topology, and physics, particularly those exploring advanced topics in general relativity and differential geometry.

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Hello everybody, I am an undergrad physics student and I'm taking some "Geometry and Topology for physicist" course. We saw Lie Derivative some time ago and I still don't know how can I use it on physics, can anyone give me some examples? thanks
 
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As a starter, one that you are already very well familiar with is angular velocity.
 
You can use it to prove the Poincaré Lemma and compute the local potential of a closed differential smooth form. You can use it when you are computing the derivative of an integral on a manifold that depends on a the parameter you're conducting a derivative with, like the general case shown in this page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiation_under_the_integral_sign.
 
The Lie derivative is the commutator of two flows, ie. whether the order of doing two different operations matters. The commutator is called the Lie bracket, and the traditional example is how you can parallel park using two operations.
http://www.math.cornell.edu/~goldberg/Talks/Flows-Olivetti.pdf
http://rigtriv.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/parallel-parking/

The Lie derivative is also used to define Killing vectors in general relativity. For a free falling test particle (ie. under no forces except gravity = spacetime curvature), the Killing vectors give conserved quantities along the particle's trajectory.
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll3/Carroll5.html
 
In general relativity, a vector field ##\xi## in a space-time ##(M,g)## that preserves the metric tensor ##g## is exactly one which satisfies ##\mathcal{L}_{\xi}g = 0## where ##\mathcal{L}_{\xi}## is the Lie derivative along ##\xi##; such a vector field is called a killing field.

As an example, take ##M = \mathbb{R}^{4}## and ##g = \eta## where ##\eta## is the Minkowski metric i.e. we are in Minkowski space-time. Then the vector fields solving ##\mathcal{L}_{\xi}\eta = 0## are given by ##\xi = AX + T##. It can be shown that ##T## is the generators of translations in Minkowski space-time and that ##A## is the generator of Lorentz transformations (i.e. Lorentz boosts and spatial rotations).

Further more, in general relativity a freely falling particle satisfies the equations of motion ##\nabla_u u = 0## where ##\nabla## is the Levi-Civita connection associated with the metric tensor ##g## of the space-time, and ##u## is the 4-velocity of the particle. If ##\xi## is a killing field then ##\nabla_u (u \cdot \xi) = \xi \cdot \nabla_u u + u \cdot \nabla_u \xi = 0## so ##u \cdot \xi## is a conserved quantity along the freely falling particle's worldline. For example if ##\xi## generates time translations then ##u \cdot \xi## represents the conserved energy of the freely falling particle.
 
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Wow, thanks everybody for the examples, everything seems useful now!
 
If you're interested, also look into the exterior derivative. There are a myriad of fundamental uses of the exterior derivative in physics. Generally a course in differential topology which touches on cohomology will introduce the theory of exterior calculus.
 
Oh yeah, I also have some questions about the exterior derivative and Maxwell equations but I'll ask this another time
 

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