What are the different types of power losses in a car engine?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Max90
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Automobile Power
AI Thread Summary
Power losses in a car engine primarily occur due to accessories, friction, and slippage in the transmission and differential, with estimates suggesting that only about 12% of fuel energy reaches the wheels in gasoline engines. These losses vary with engine speed, as parasitic drag and frictional losses increase with RPM. The starter motor consumes minimal power, which is replenished by the alternator. Additionally, power loss due to air drag increases with the square of the vehicle's speed, while drivetrain losses can be more complex to quantify due to varying components and configurations. Overall, estimating power loss can be challenging, with some suggesting that losses could be closer to 15% for front-wheel drive vehicles.
Max90
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
Hello, i would like to know in what ways power is loss from a car engine to the wheels and what are the percentages of the power losses that occur.
Do the power losses vary with engine speeds?
Also, how much power does the electric motor starter consume?

Max90
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
welcome
power varies with RPM...so the power loss thru parasitic drag og transmission/differential would also vary. the amount is engine/ trans/diff dependent.
starter motor takes minimal electric power to turn over engine and this is replaced via alternator
 
I know that power loss due to air drag is proportional to the square of vehicle's speed.
I have read somewhere that for a gasoline engine, "of the 25 percent crankshaft power, about 4 percent is used up by accessories, 9 percent by friction and slippage in the mechanical systems (transmission and differential), leaving only about 12 percent of the fuel energy to be delivered to the wheels".
How does the power loss associated with trans/diff vary with engine speeds? Will it simply increase?

Max90
 
Asking how much powerloss comes from an engine is like asking what colour are pencil crayons?

The power output and losses of an engine and transmission system, will not only vary between types (can vary a great deal) but also between units of the same typre due to manufacturing tolerances.

12% seems a very low estimate, even for poor engines.
 
Max90 said:
I know that power loss due to air drag is proportional to the square of vehicle's speed.
Max90

Proportional to the cube of the vehicle's speed.

As has been said, power lost in the drivetrain is not so easy to figure out. There's windage losses (the gears, engine swinging through the oil/ oil mist) that will obviously rise with rpm, but not necessarily load. There's frictional losses in bearings and gears that will rise with rpm and load.

Each gear, each bearing, each moving part takes up a certain small percentage of the total power. The more gears (such as in 4wd and rear-wheel drive cars), the more power lost. An automatic transmission usually gives more power loss.

Good luck figuring out each individual component. The 12% mentioned is an easier way to estimate it, although it's probably being very optimistic. I've heard around 15% of power for front-wheel drive cars...
 
Posted June 2024 - 15 years after starting this class. I have learned a whole lot. To get to the short course on making your stock car, late model, hobby stock E-mod handle, look at the index below. Read all posts on Roll Center, Jacking effect and Why does car drive straight to the wall when I gas it? Also read You really have two race cars. This will cover 90% of problems you have. Simply put, the car pushes going in and is loose coming out. You do not have enuff downforce on the right...
Thread 'Physics of Stretch: What pressure does a band apply on a cylinder?'
Scenario 1 (figure 1) A continuous loop of elastic material is stretched around two metal bars. The top bar is attached to a load cell that reads force. The lower bar can be moved downwards to stretch the elastic material. The lower bar is moved downwards until the two bars are 1190mm apart, stretching the elastic material. The bars are 5mm thick, so the total internal loop length is 1200mm (1190mm + 5mm + 5mm). At this level of stretch, the load cell reads 45N tensile force. Key numbers...
I'm trying to decide what size and type of galvanized steel I need for 2 cantilever extensions. The cantilever is 5 ft. The space between the two cantilever arms is a 17 ft Gap the center 7 ft of the 17 ft Gap we'll need to Bear approximately 17,000 lb spread evenly from the front of the cantilever to the back of the cantilever over 5 ft. I will put support beams across these cantilever arms to support the load evenly
Back
Top