What are the electrons doing in this example?

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In the discussion about the behavior of electrons in a system with a negatively charged inner ring and a positively charged outer ring, it is clarified that electrons in the outer ring do not move to the surface despite the presence of the inner ring. The reasoning is that while electrons are repelled by the inner ring, they also seek to maintain an even distribution within the conductor. An external electric field does not penetrate a conductor, preventing any imbalance in electron distribution. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding electric theory and the behavior of conductors versus insulators. Overall, the electrons remain uniformly distributed within the outer conductor due to these principles.
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Given the following image of 2 conductors, a negatively charged inner ring and positively charged outer ring, taken from http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/estatics/u8l4d.cfm"

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Where are the electrons located in the outer ring?

If there was no inner ring, and as the outer is positively charged, the electrons would position themselves equally over the volume of the ring.

But because there is an inner ring that is negatively charged, wouldn't they now repel that inner ring and position themselves on the surface of the outer ring?

The tutorial seems to imply they won't do this, but why?
 
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My guess: If all electrons were on the outer rim, their mutual repulsion would push some back inwards.
 
The lines of force point from positive to negative and since there would be no lines of force inside the conductor itself the electrons would experience no force away from the negative ring.
 
Consider the nature of the "charge" on the outside conductor---
DC
 
Dr_Morbius said:
The lines of force point from positive to negative and since there would be no lines of force inside the conductor itself the electrons would experience no force away from the negative ring.

What do you mean? Electrons follow the opposite direction of the field lines, so why wouldn't the electrons in the outer ring feel some repulsion from the inner ring?
 
Electrons inside a conductor are normally distributed evenly throughout and and will always try to return to that even distribution. An external electric field will not cause an imbalance of distribution. An external electric field does not propagate through a conductor. Please note the words inside and conductor. This is not true of an insulator or a semiconductor.

You might want to avoid online rehash articles and get a good physics book that covers electric theory.

DC
 
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