What are the electrons doing in this example?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons in a system consisting of two conductors: a negatively charged inner ring and a positively charged outer ring. Participants explore the implications of this configuration on the distribution of electrons, particularly in the context of electrostatics and electric fields.

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  • One participant questions the location of electrons in the outer ring, suggesting that they would normally distribute evenly if the outer ring were positively charged alone, but the presence of the negatively charged inner ring complicates this.
  • Another participant proposes that if all electrons were concentrated on the outer rim, their mutual repulsion would cause some to move back inward.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the lines of electric force point from positive to negative, indicating that electrons in the outer conductor would not experience a force pushing them away from the inner ring.
  • One participant notes that electrons inside a conductor are typically evenly distributed and that an external electric field does not affect this distribution, asserting that this principle does not apply to insulators or semiconductors.
  • A later reply challenges the earlier claim about the behavior of electrons in relation to electric field lines, questioning why electrons would not feel repulsion from the inner ring.

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Participants express differing views on the distribution of electrons in the outer ring and the effects of the inner negatively charged ring. There is no consensus on how the presence of the inner ring influences the electron distribution in the outer ring.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions of conductors and their behavior in electric fields, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these definitions on the overall understanding of the system.

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Given the following image of 2 conductors, a negatively charged inner ring and positively charged outer ring, taken from http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/estatics/u8l4d.cfm"

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Where are the electrons located in the outer ring?

If there was no inner ring, and as the outer is positively charged, the electrons would position themselves equally over the volume of the ring.

But because there is an inner ring that is negatively charged, wouldn't they now repel that inner ring and position themselves on the surface of the outer ring?

The tutorial seems to imply they won't do this, but why?
 
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My guess: If all electrons were on the outer rim, their mutual repulsion would push some back inwards.
 
The lines of force point from positive to negative and since there would be no lines of force inside the conductor itself the electrons would experience no force away from the negative ring.
 
Consider the nature of the "charge" on the outside conductor---
DC
 
Dr_Morbius said:
The lines of force point from positive to negative and since there would be no lines of force inside the conductor itself the electrons would experience no force away from the negative ring.

What do you mean? Electrons follow the opposite direction of the field lines, so why wouldn't the electrons in the outer ring feel some repulsion from the inner ring?
 
Electrons inside a conductor are normally distributed evenly throughout and and will always try to return to that even distribution. An external electric field will not cause an imbalance of distribution. An external electric field does not propagate through a conductor. Please note the words inside and conductor. This is not true of an insulator or a semiconductor.

You might want to avoid online rehash articles and get a good physics book that covers electric theory.

DC
 
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