What Are the Odds of a Perfect Machine? Perpetual Motion Possibilities

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of creating a 100% efficient machine and the impossibility of perpetual motion machines (PMMs). It is established that PMMs violate the laws of physics, particularly the three laws of thermodynamics, and are thus deemed impossible. While some devices, like electric heaters, can achieve 100% efficiency, the concept of perpetual motion remains a topic of pseudoscience and is banned in certain forums. The conversation highlights that claims of PMMs often fail to adhere to established physical laws, including Newton's laws of motion and Ohm's law. Resources for further reading on the topic are provided, emphasizing the scientific consensus against the viability of perpetual motion.
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What are the odds that humans will come up with a 100% (or extremely close to) efficient machine within the next couple centuries. If so, what principle do you think it would work on? How about a perpetual motion machine?

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Perpetual motion machines would violate the laws of physics and are thus completely impossible. They will never happen.

However many electric heaters are exactly 100% efficient and energy harvesting devices can have coefficients of performance of well above 1:1.
 
russ_watters said:
Perpetual motion machines would violate the laws of physics and are thus completely impossible. They will never happen.

In what ways would a perpetual machine violate the laws of physics?
 
Ethan_Tab said:
In what ways would a perpetual machine violate the laws of physics?
The three laws of thermodynamics describe the general problems (and the PMM wiki describes the associated violations) and many claimed PMMS are not well enough developed to take further. But for ones that are, the violations can be anything. Common ones include Newton's laws of motion, Ohms law Archemede's principle and Lentz's law.
 
Ethan_Tab said:
In what ways would a perpetual machine violate the laws of physics?

PMMs are on the Banned Topics list in the PF Rules (see Info at the top of the page). We list some website that are good resources for your further reading outside of the PF.

micromass said:
Banned Topics -- Pseudoscience, such as (but not limited to):

Perpetual motion and "free energy" discussions
http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Free_Energy_Debunking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
http://www.skepdic.com/freeenergy.html
http://www.skepdic.com/perpetual.html
 
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