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The discussion centers on suggestions for President Bush to regain public trust and improve his leadership amid criticism of his handling of the Iraq war and domestic issues like Hurricane Katrina. Key suggestions include engaging with the United Nations to rebuild international relations, admitting mistakes regarding Iraq, and adopting a more compassionate and humanitarian foreign policy. Participants express frustration over Bush's communication style, particularly his reliance on religious rhetoric and failure to connect with citizens. There's a consensus that he should acknowledge past failures and involve knowledgeable advisors to improve decision-making. The conversation also touches on the need for a balanced budget and a shift away from aggressive military actions. Overall, the sentiment is that significant changes are necessary for Bush to restore credibility and effectiveness in his presidency.
  • #31
So rather than a great statesman, Bush will be remembered for Iraq (a very costly war that was poorly planned), Katrina (a natural disaster for which his administration was unprepared) and high fuel prices (unanticipated because the economy was doing so well - and then ).

What else can go wrong in the next 3 years? :rolleyes:
 
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  • #32
Astronuc said:
What else can go wrong in the next 3 years? :rolleyes:

Bush killed by Iranian terrorists ; you'd have Cheney as president :bugeye:
 
  • #33
I remember at one time in 2004 Bush said the following on meet the press:

I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign-policy matters with war on my mind.

To use a Bush expression: "That dog won't hunt" this time around. Rove hopefully will have some sleepless nights.

We will need another round of tax cuts for the wealthy to pay for the New Orleans disaster. :-p
 
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  • #34
vanesch said:
Bush killed by Iranian terrorists ; you'd have Cheney as president :bugeye:
No, no! (Unless he died immediately of a heart attack afterwards.)
edward said:
I remember at one time in 2004 Bush said the following on meet the press:
I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign-policy matters with war on my mind.
Yeh, we know...he thinks about it every day. :rolleyes:

So...you unnecessarily start a war with lies, and voila you can refer to yourself as a war president. How convenient. Do people fall for this stuff (other than the media)? I'll bet Dubya flexes in front of the mirror too--he's a little full of himself isn't he? Sincere humility would really help, but he is completely incapable of it!
 
  • #35
Though as usual the Bush administration is a day late and a dollar short, for the first time an inept crony is being...asked to step down! Good job Brownie! We'll find another position for ya, don't worry.
 
  • #36
2CentsWorth said:
Though as usual the Bush administration is a day late and a dollar short, for the first time an inept crony is being...asked to step down! Good job Brownie! We'll find another position for ya, don't worry.
I think the way Chertoff spun it was he is going back to washington to prepare for the next disaster. (Since he did such a fine job with Katrina. :wink: )

The first quetion was for 'Brownie', the reporter asked if this was the first step in his resignation. Chertoff said "Here are the ground rules...I'll answer all questions. :smile: :smile: :smile: They won't even let him talk anymore. :smile: :smile:

[edit] Of course Chertof didn't answer the question.
 
  • #37
Skyhunter said:
I think the way Chertoff spun it was he is going back to washington to prepare for the next disaster. (Since he did such a fine job with Katrina. :wink: )

The first quetion was for 'Brownie', the reporter asked if this was the first step in his resignation. Chertoff said "Here are the ground rules...I'll answer all questions. :smile: :smile: :smile: They won't even let him talk anymore. :smile: :smile:

[edit] Of course Chertof didn't answer the question.
That's why I posted about Brownie here. Bush can't even fire someone when the majority of the nation is calling for him to do so. As I say in the thread about Brown, Bush won't do that because it would mean admitting a mistake. He hasn't learned a damn thing.
 
  • #38
President's Approval Rating Dips Below 40 Percent
Nearly Two-Thirds Say Country Is Headed in Wrong Direction
By WILL LESTER, AP

WASHINGTON (Sept. 10, AP) -
President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.

The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

"As a nation, we are pretty well stretched," said Barry Allen, a political independent from Reed City, Mich. "I approve of some of the things the president has done, and disapprove of others. Overall, I disapprove."

Allen said he liked some of Bush's economic steps during his first term but has been dissatisfied with the president's economic moves in his second term, his Iraq policy and his handling of gasoline prices.

Allen worries Hurricane Katrina has taken the wind out of an economy that was moving in the right direction.

With gasoline racing past $3 a gallon, Bush's standing on dealing with those prices may be one of his biggest problems - seven in 10 said they disapprove.

And just over half in the poll, 52 percent, said they disapprove of the president's handling of the hurricane.

For Bill Kane of Kingsland, Ga., the government's slow response to the hurricane "was terrifying to see in our own country. It made you mad, because it made you think where's our money going?"

More evidence of problems with the storm response surfaced Friday when the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced it would discontinue a 2-day-old program to issue debit cards worth to displaced families.
 
  • #39
I don't think Bush can do anything to "win back" favor from me, However I would like to see him actually WORK for the remainder of his time in office.

How can the "Leader" of a nation at war take more vacation time than any other President in history?

"Sorry 'bought yer son dyin in Iraq, Now if you'll 'scuse me I got a Margherita waitin down by tha Lakeside Gazebo"
 
  • #40
Tarheel said:
I don't think Bush can do anything to "win back" favor from me, However I would like to see him actually WORK for the remainder of his time in office.

How can the "Leader" of a nation at war take more vacation time than any other President in history?

"Sorry 'bought yer son dyin in Iraq, Now if you'll 'scuse me I got a Margherita waitin down by tha Lakeside Gazebo"
Hopefully his term will be cut short in 2007 by an impeachment!

He hasn't taken more vacation time than any president in history, but he is close.

Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record
With Long Sojourn at Ranch, President on His Way to Surpassing Reagan's Total
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html
 
  • #41
Skyhunter said:
Hopefully his term will be cut short in 2007 by an impeachment!
2007? Why wait until 2007? We should impeach him retroactively. :smile:
 
  • #42
What happens if Bush DOES get impeached? Does that mean Cheney takes over?
 
  • #43
Smurf said:
What happens if Bush DOES get impeached? Does that mean Cheney takes over?
Damn. Err...impeach them all!
 
  • #44
Yup. See, in most democracies when the government falls a new election is called.
 
  • #45
Bush should invent a time machine so he can go back in time and kill himself before he became president. But, then he wouldn't live to go back in time and kill himself... But that would mean he would live to become president then he would be able to go back in time and kill himself before he became president! But then if he did go back in time and kill himself he wouldn't have became president but then if... ARGH! I made my brain hurt.
 
  • #46
Smurf said:
Yup. See, in most democracies when the government falls a new election is called.
Far too logical, but not likely. Here's another possible scenario:

The Peoples Temple in Guyana at a site called Jonestown -- Eventually Jones began to claim divinity. Paranoia and complete control became his personality once he obtained his close-knit group. Though emphasis had been on religious ideas, particularly those of mainstream Christianity, in the last years this became more political in nature. In 1978, 913 people committed “altruistic suicide,” which Jones saw as a revolutionary act.

Let's start mixin' the Kool-Aid. :-p
 
  • #47
Entropy said:
Bush should invent a time machine so he can go back in time and kill himself before he became president. But, then he wouldn't live to go back in time and kill himself... But that would mean he would live to become president then he would be able to go back in time and kill himself before he became president! But then if he did go back in time and kill himself he wouldn't have became president but then if... ARGH! I made my brain hurt.
This is a logical impossibilty because it would require Bush to invent something.
 
  • #48
2CentsWorth said:
That's why I posted about Brownie here. Bush can't even fire someone when the majority of the nation is calling for him to do so. As I say in the thread about Brown, Bush won't do that because it would mean admitting a mistake. He hasn't learned a damn thing.
I guess this thread is a lost cause... he really is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. His work ethic is in question along with his integrity. I posted this thread to see if what people would suggest for GWB to do, but it seems like all the suggestions range from already attempted and unsuccessful, to not while he's alive.

Then there's the option of impeachment, and Dick stands next in line. You really got give this Administration some credit. Some really good chess being played. You kill my rook, I take your queen.

 
  • #49
There are those who have never supported him, and never will. Then there are those who supported him in the aftermath of 9-11, but chain of events (Terri Schiavo, Downing Street Memo, Plame leak, Katrina) have turned them off. Then there are those who always supported him, and no matter what mistakes he makes, will always support him. The only difference that can be made is with the so called swing voters. Social Security or permanent tax cuts aren't going to do it. Maybe incredible progress in Iraq, or a sudden boom in the economy, like gas dropping to 5 cents/gal.
 
  • #50
2CentsWorth said:
There are those who have never supported him, and never will. Then there are those who supported him in the aftermath of 9-11, but chain of events (Terri Schiavo, Downing Street Memo, Plame leak, Katrina) have turned them off. Then there are those who always supported him, and no matter what mistakes he makes, will always support him. The only difference that can be made is with the so called swing voters. Social Security or permanent tax cuts aren't going to do it. Maybe incredible progress in Iraq, or a sudden boom in the economy, like gas dropping to 5 cents/gal.
What if gas in Iraq drops to 5 cents per gallon. :biggrin: Would that work? It would almost be like killing two birds with one stone. :smile:
 
  • #51
Archon said:
What if gas in Iraq drops to 5 cents per gallon. :biggrin: Would that work? It would almost be like killing two birds with one stone. :smile:
:smile: Good one.
 
  • #52
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/national/nationalspecial/22bush.html
From a NY Times article today:

Bush Compares Responses to Hurricane, Terrorism
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: September 22, 2005

WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 - President Bush on Wednesday for the first time linked the American response to terrorism and its response to Hurricane Katrina, declaring that the United States is emerging a stronger nation from both challenges, and saying that terrorists look at the storm's devastation "and wish they had caused it."

Mr. Bush's speech, at a luncheon for the Republican Jewish Coalition, appeared to be part of a White House strategy to restore the luster of strong leadership that Mr. Bush enjoyed after the Sept. 11 attacks, and that administration officials fear he has lost in the faltering response to the hurricane.
WTF? :bugeye: Does he really expect to maintain popularity with fear mongering in this way?

Mr. Bush said he had been "thinking a lot" about the comparisons between the response to the attacks in New York and Washington, and the storm devastation.

...In weaving the themes, Mr. Bush said that just as the United States would not let an act of nature blow the nation off course, it would not let the acts of terrorsts drive it out of Iraq. "No matter how many car bombs there are, these terrorists cannot stop the march of freedom in Iraq," he told the luncheon crowd, which include current and former members of his administration and some of his larger campaign donors.
And we see he still thinks a lot about things...and he still connects terrorism to the invasion of Iraq.
 
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  • #53
Informal Logic said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/national/nationalspecial/22bush.html
From a NY Times article today:
Bush Compares Responses to Hurricane, Terrorism
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: September 22, 2005

WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 - President Bush on Wednesday for the first time linked the American response to terrorism and its response to Hurricane Katrina, declaring that the United States is emerging a stronger nation from both challenges, and saying that terrorists look at the storm's devastation "and wish they had caused it."

Mr. Bush's speech, at a luncheon for the Republican Jewish Coalition, appeared to be part of a White House strategy to restore the luster of strong leadership that Mr. Bush enjoyed after the Sept. 11 attacks, and that administration officials fear he has lost in the faltering response to the hurricane.
WTF? :bugeye: Does he really expect to maintain popularity with fear mongering in this way?
In all fairness, Sanger took a tiny quote out of context and completely twisted the message.

Here's the paragraph in the speech where Bush said "and wish they had caused it."

You know, something we -- I've been thinking a lot about how America has responded, and it's clear to me that Americans value human life, and value every person as important. And that stands in stark contrast, by the way, to the terrorists we have to deal with. You see, we look at the destruction caused by Katrina, and our hearts break. They're the kind of people who look at Katrina and wish they had caused it. We're in a war against these people. It's a war on terror. These are evil men who target the suffering. They killed 3,000 people on September the 11th, 2001. And they've continued to kill. See, sometimes we forget about the evil deeds of these people. They've killed in Madrid, and Istanbul, and Baghdad, and Bali, and London, and Sharm el-Sheikh, and Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv. Around the world they continue to kill.

I have to admit, you wonder why Bush would mention hurricanes and terrorists in the same paragraph - they would seem to have little relevance to each other. Was it the almost subliminal linking of one bad thing to another unrelated bad thing just to amplify the bad feeling the audience would get when they think of terrorists? Was it the seemingly subliminal link that ticked off Sanger?
 
  • #54
BobG said:
In all fairness, Sanger took a tiny quote out of context and completely twisted the message.

Here's the paragraph in the speech where Bush said "and wish they had caused it."



I have to admit, you wonder why Bush would mention hurricanes and terrorists in the same paragraph - they would seem to have little relevance to each other. Was it the almost subliminal linking of one bad thing to another unrelated bad thing just to amplify the bad feeling the audience would get when they think of terrorists? Was it the seemingly subliminal link that ticked off Sanger?
I edited my post in adding more from the article. Sanger does provide a more exact quote later in the article... But Bush's continued claims that the war on terror is being fought in Iraq is really angering to me.
 
  • #55
But Bush's continued claims that the war on terror is being fought in Iraq is really angering to me.

yes, me too... It shows what type of person he is, or that the current administration is, that they feel then need to link 9/11 with Iraq, or even terrorism in general with the war in Iraq...
 
  • #56
It angers me because it works. And that shows me what kind of people my fellow human beings are - ie basically good but able to be ruled by fear.

We ought to be able to rise above fear and use rational thought. Linking things the way Bush does... Geeze.

In fairness, it seems that most Americans are able to see through this bad rhetoric.
 
  • #57
I think he's doing a fine job. One day Iraq will be a Democracy. Women will have rights they've never known. People will enjoy a freedom that they've never known. I see a lot of Bush bashing but not a lot of constructive solutions to issues he is addressing.
 
  • #58
The solution is obvious, Deckart.

It was a wiser course to have let Iraq reach democracy on its own. When a society decides to reach for democracy from within itself, it works.

When "freedom" is *imposed* on the society from another source, things like insurgencies happen.

The solutions to the current Middle East problems (some of which are of our own making) are also right there, staring at you in the headlines. Do you need me to point them out to you one by one?
 
  • #59
deckart said:
I think he's doing a fine job. One day Iraq will be a Democracy. Women will have rights they've never known. People will enjoy a freedom that they've never known. I see a lot of Bush bashing but not a lot of constructive solutions to issues he is addressing.
I will respond with constructive solutions in your thread on the topic. Aside from contradiction between your post in this thread and that thread:
deckart said:
Democracy is the best form of government for humans, IMO. But, I don't believe it is necessarily good for the Muslim culture and religeous value system. And that is one of the reasons so many of them are threatened by us. Their way of life is going to change drastically as a Democracy.
Please provide evidence to support your predictions.
 
  • #60
SOS2008 said:
Please provide evidence to support your predictions.
Please provide logical justification for demanding evidence. It would be a nice trick since deckart clearly said IMO...meaning the premises for his prediction are his opinion.

I don't see why people cannot reasonably discuss things based on their opinions. If you have some information which would better inform people and help them to form a better opinion then just state it. If you disagree with someone's premises then say so...if you think their argument is invalid then explain why...
 

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