What chemicals will dissolve biological matter fastest?

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The discussion revolves around the use of a chemical cocktail, specifically sulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide, and permanganate, for rapidly dissolving organic tissues, such as those from mice, to extract bones. However, it is noted that permanganate will be reduced by hydrogen peroxide, making the mixture ineffective. Concerns are raised about the safety of using strong oxidizers with organic matter, as they can be dangerous and may degrade the skeletal material. Alternatives like Dermestid beetles are suggested for cleaning bones over a longer period, which are considered safer and more cost-effective. The conversation also highlights the risks associated with using hazardous chemicals in a competitive context, emphasizing the need for proper training, protective gear, and safety measures to prevent accidents.
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In the matter of 30 seconds, preferably.

So far it seems Sulfuric Acid, Hydrogen Peroxide and Permanganate in a cocktail will suffice.

Are there any faster, cheaper methods?

Thanks :)
 
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Actually permanganate will get reduced by the hydrogen peroxide, rendering the mixture useless.

What do you need it for? Using strong oxidizers with organic matter can be dangerous.
 
Borek said:
Actually permanganate will get reduced by the hydrogen peroxide, rendering the mixture useless.

What do you need it for? Using strong oxidizers with organic matter can be dangerous.

Thanks for the information, I am curious if it will dissolve organic tissues in under half a minute. For example, to extract the bones out of a mouse by eliminating all tissue matter.
 
I doubt anything will be able to act that fast and to not eat through the bones as well.
 
Why so fast? Are you serially processing dozens of mice? We used Dermestid beetles to get really clean skeletons from small mammal carcasses - this is the defacto method for really clean. Plus, long term, they are way cheaper than chemicals.

Fast oxidation will severely degrade the skeleton, as Borek says. And you really did not answer the question: What are you doing with the skeletal material?

Dermestid beetles in the US (example):

http://www.carolina.com/dermestid/dermestid-beetle-assortment-living/144168.pr
 
Borek said:
I doubt anything will be able to act that fast and to not eat through the bones as well.

Say if I extracted the bones first, in your best opinion Borek, how long will it take to dissolve say 1kg of left overs in that cocktail mix?
 
jim mcnamara said:
Why so fast? Are you serially processing dozens of mice? We used Dermestid beetles to get really clean skeletons from small mammal carcasses - this is the defacto method for really clean. Plus, long term, they are way cheaper than chemicals.

Fast oxidation will severely degrade the skeleton, as Borek says. And you really did not answer the question: What are you doing with the skeletal material?

Dermestid beetles in the US (example):

http://www.carolina.com/dermestid/dermestid-beetle-assortment-living/144168.pr

Thanks for the input, Dermestid beetles look interesting for a longer time frame. I find it to be interesting to initiate a contest where each person has to either dissolve or somehow extract everything except bones to construct them with quick dry superglue.
 
Okay. If this is a "contest" you should be painfully aware that the chemicals you are using are dangerous to humans. It is a genuinely bad idea to create a situation where the goal is to "go fast" using dangerous materials. It is a great way to get in legal trouble.

I'm sure Borek, or any chemist, can provide you with stories about the nasty things that happen when inexperienced, unsupervised, and/or sloppy people start playing with chemicals. I give up.
 
Do all these people have training and protective gear plus access to decent fume hoods? Probably not, so the possibility of injury is very high. I would strongly advise against this "contest", even if you answered "yes" to all three. Trying to do things quickly using very strong chemicals is a great way to get hurt.
 
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