What Happens When You Inverse Transform Impedance Back to Time Domain?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of transforming impedance from the frequency domain back to the time domain in circuit analysis. Participants explore the nature of the resulting values and the conditions under which real resistance can be obtained, considering various circuit configurations involving resistors, capacitors, and inductors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that to find total impedance, each circuit element is transformed into the frequency domain, but questions what happens when this is inverted.
  • Another participant argues that the imaginary part of impedance does not have an inverse, as the effects of capacitors and inductors can cancel each other out.
  • A question is raised about the scenario of a circuit consisting solely of a resistor and a capacitor, implying that the behavior may differ from circuits with inductors.
  • It is suggested that transforming back does not guarantee a purely resistive circuit, as the original circuit's properties remain unchanged despite the transformation.
  • One participant explains that at resonant frequency, a circuit can exhibit pure resistance, while at other frequencies, complex impedances are present, indicating a dependency on frequency.
  • Another point made is that in a closed circuit with sources or initial conditions, solving the differential equation can yield a frequency-independent solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether transforming impedance back to the time domain results in a purely resistive value. There is no consensus on the implications of the transformation, and multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the behavior of circuits with different components.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the conditions under which impedance can be considered real or complex, as well as the dependence on the specific circuit configuration and frequency.

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This is a general question regarding impedance in circuit analysis.
I know that in order to find the total impedance of a circuit, you transform each element characteristic into the frequency domain, i.e.,
R\rightarrow Z_R = R,
C\rightarrow Z_C = \frac{1}{Cs},
L\rightarrow Z_L = Ls.

And then sum up the quantities properly to get an equivalent impedance.

My question is, what happens if you transform this quantity back using an inverse transform? Do you get a real resistance value?
 
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This transformation doesn't have an inverse for the imaginary part, since the effect of capacitor and inductance cancel out each other...

The resistance value is the real part of the impedance... ie Re(Z) = R,
 
what if its a circuit consisting of only a resistor and a capacitor?
 
tandoorichicken said:
My question is, what happens if you transform this quantity back using an inverse transform? Do you get a real resistance value?

well, why would you expect that in general you get just a purely resistive circuit when you started with a circuit with a resistor, a capacitor and an inductor?

The property of the circuit won't change just because you have tranformed into a more convenient domain (the freq domain in this case) for calculation purposes and then changed it back. If you begin with a 1 ohms and a 2 ohms resistor, then you can say ok, the total R is 3 ohms, so I can replace them with just one 3 ohms resistor. But that's all you have really done in finding the equivalent resistance.

same applies in the case with capacitors and inductors included. you started with R , C, L. Since C and L make up the imagary part (in freq domain) they have a chance to cancel (fully or partially). If they cancel each other fully, then you will end up having just an R in your equivalent circuit. Now if they don't cancel fully you will have either one L or one C (of different value) left pending on the phase of the equivalent resistance in freq domain.
 
In the time domain you can only calculate the impedance of the circuit for specific frequencies. At the resonant frequency, you have a pure resistance, below or over the resonant frequency, you have complex impedances, either RC or LC.
If you have a closed circuit, with sources and/or initial conditions, you can solve the resulting differential equation and have a frequency independent solution.
 

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