What is different between electrostatic voltage and circuit voltage?

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The discussion revolves around the differences and similarities between electrostatic voltage and circuit voltage, exploring definitions, measurements, and the implications of these concepts in different contexts, including theoretical and practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that voltage is defined as the work done by an external source in moving a unit charge in an electric field, while others question how this definition applies in circuit analysis.
  • One participant explains that electric potential is measured in volts and can be defined at any point in space, with potential difference being the difference in electric potential between two points.
  • Another participant suggests that the concept of voltage is consistent across contexts but requires different equations depending on the circumstances, such as Ohm's law for resistive materials.
  • Some participants highlight that voltage can also be expressed in terms of power and current, indicating that V=IR is not universally applicable, particularly for non-Ohmic materials.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between electric fields, current, and voltage, with some participants noting that the electric field causes current flow through resistors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether electrostatic voltage and circuit voltage are fundamentally the same or different, with no consensus reached on the matter. Some agree on the definitions of voltage, while others highlight the context-dependent nature of its application.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various definitions and equations for voltage, indicating potential limitations in understanding due to differing contexts (e.g., Ohmic vs. non-Ohmic materials) and the need for clarity on assumptions regarding charge movement and electric fields.

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I'm confused about this because voltage or potential difference is defined as work done by an external source in moving a unit charge from one point to another in an electric field.

However, in circuit analysis things seem to be different because we measure voltage from V=IR.

I want to know the different between these two methods. Or Is it the same thing?

Sorry for my English.
 
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The physical quantity which has the units of 'Energy per unit Charge' is known as the electric (electrostatic) potential and and is measured in volts.

Now this definition can be shrunk to a point so you can have a defined 'voltage' at any point in space.

If you have two or more points you can define potential difference as the difference (also measured in voltage) of the electric potential between these two points.
This is the same idea as elevation (height) above the floor. The seat of your chair is at one height, the table at another, but both are measured in metres. The Height Difference between the chair and table is also measured in metres as in the voltage situation.

These points may be points in free space or points in a material or points at the ends of a component, say a resistor.

Notice I have only mentioned charge. If the charge is moving you have a current and can apply ohms or other laws. Obviously movment implies time so you have bring time into the equationa so current = charge per second.

So all voltages refer to the same physical phenomenon, but the circumstances are different so you require different equations.

Does this help?
 
It is the same concept. It is the minimum work you would have to do to move a unit charge through the resistor (even if the resistor didn't affect the charge at all).
 
hi okami11408! :smile:
okami11408 said:
… we measure voltage from V=IR.

not necessarily

V is not always equal to IR (that is true only if the material is "Ohmic")

V is always equal to power divided by current … P = VI
I'm confused about this because voltage or potential difference is defined as work done by an external source in moving a unit charge from one point to another in an electric field.

I want to know the different between these two methods. Or Is it the same thing?

from the pf library on voltage

Two ways of defining voltage:

voltage = energy/charge = work/charge = force"dot"distance/charge = (from the Lorentz force) electric field"dot"distance, or dV = E.dr

but also voltage = energy/charge = (energy/time)/(charge/time) = power/current, or V = P/I​
 
Voltage is always energy per charge. When a current flows through a resistor an electric field is created across that resistor. Just like when air flows through a small hole a pressure difference is created.
Well, actually it's the other way around, the electric field causes the current. And the stronger the electric field is, the higher the energy per charge and the higher the current that gets pushed through the resistor.
 

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