What is monotonic transformation? (economics)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of monotonic transformations in economics, specifically how certain functions can transform a set of numbers while preserving their order. Participants are examining various examples of functions to determine whether they qualify as monotonic transformations.

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  • Participants explore the definition of monotonic transformations and discuss specific examples, questioning how to determine if the order is preserved. There are inquiries about the implications of monotonicity in functions of multiple variables.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the nature of monotonic functions and raising questions about the application of the concept to multiple variables. Some guidance has been provided regarding the analysis of functions, though there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of monotonicity in the context of multiple variables.

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There is a noted distinction between functions of a single variable and those of multiple variables, with participants questioning how order can be defined in the latter case. The original poster expresses confusion about the criteria for identifying monotonic transformations.

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The textbook says it's a way of transforming a set of numbers into another set that preserves the order. But I don't understand what that means.

Here are a few examples. The question was: do these functions represent a monotonic transformation.


u = 2v - 13 (yes)

u = -1/v2 (no)

u = ln(v) (yes)

u = v2 (no)



I have no clue what you're supposed to look for.
 
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Hi 60051! :smile:

It means the graph is always going up (or always going down).

Look at the graph for the second and fourth examples …

if we include negative values of v, then the graph of u against v (u up and v across) comes down and then goes up …

for example, in the fourth one, -2 < 1 < 60051, but (-2)2 > 12 < 600512, so the order isn't preserved. :wink:
 
What if there are two variables?
 
You mean if, say, you are told that "u is a monotonic function of x and y"?

I've never heard of "monotonic" being used for two (input) variables, but I suppose it would mean that, for each fixed value of y, u is a monotonic function of x, and for each fixed value of x, u is a monotonic function of y (and I expect they'd need to be either both monotonic increasing or both monotonic decreasing).

But that seems completely different from your textbook, which says that it's a way of transforming a set of numbers into another set that preserves the order …

that presumes that the original set of numbers has an order, and a two-variable set of numbers doesn't have any obvious order (eg is (3,7) before or after (5,5) ?). :wink:
 
60051 said:
What if there are two variables?
All four examples you gave have two variables -- u and v. In each of those examples u is a function of v.

tiny-tim already answered for a situation in which there are three variables, where, for example, z is a function of two variables, x and y.
 
Say you have an example like:

u = x2y2

So du/dx = 2xy2, and du/dy = 2yx2.

So how do you tell if the graph is always rising or falling?
 
60051 said:
Say you have an example like:

u = x2y2

So du/dx = 2xy2, and du/dy = 2yx2.

So how do you tell if the graph is always rising or falling?
As tiny-time said, "monotonic" is normally used for functions of several variables.

Here, it is clear that x^2 and y^2 are always non-negative so whether the du/dx is positive nor negative depends on the sign of y and whether du/dy is positive or negative depends on the sign of x.

In the first quadrant, where x> 0 and y> 0, du/dx and du/dy are both positive so the function increases as both x and y increase. In the third quadrant where both are negative, the function decreases as both x and y increase. In the second and fourth quadrants, whether the function vaue increases or decreases with increasing x and y depends on the precise values of x and y.
 
Put y constant, and see whether du/dx is always positive (or always negative).

Put x constant, and see whether du/dy is always positive (or always negative).

EDIT: ooh, HallsofIvy beat me to it! :smile:

(but i think he meant ' "monotonic" is normally used for functions of one variable ')​
 
The graph is not a single curve; it's a surface in three dimensions.
60051 said:
The textbook says it's a way of transforming a set of numbers into another set that preserves the order.
Your textbook seems to be talking about functions of a single variable. As tiny-tim pointed out, there is no obvious way of determining whether one ordered pair is "less than" another ordered pair.

BTW, if u = x2y2, the partial derivatives have meaning, but not the ordinary derivatives.

IOW
\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = 2xy^2
and

\frac{\partial u}{\partial y} = 2x^2y
 
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HallsofIvy said:
As tiny-time said, "monotonic" is normally used for functions of several variables.
I'm sure you meant functions of a single variable.
 

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