What is reflection and refraction of light at the microscopic scale?

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The discussion centers on the reflection and refraction of light at the microscopic level, exploring the quantum and atomic mechanisms involved. Participants seek to understand the processes beyond the classical definitions, focusing on the behavior of photons and atomic interactions in various materials.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether reflection involves photons being absorbed and emitted with the same wavelength and direction through atomic electron transitions, expressing confusion about the underlying mechanisms.
  • Another participant defines the refractive index as a key property affecting reflection and refraction, suggesting a more nuanced definition involving electric permittivity and magnetic permeability, which are linked to atomic properties.
  • Concerns are raised about the isotropic emission of photons in amorphous materials, with one participant expecting a random re-emission rather than a directional one.
  • It is noted that photons are not simply absorbed and re-emitted; rather, only specific frequency bands are absorbed, while others cause charge separation in nearby atoms due to the electric field associated with the photons.
  • Participants discuss the complexity of distinguishing dipole generation in reflection versus refraction, indicating that the boundary conditions at interfaces between different media play a significant role.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of reflection and refraction, particularly regarding photon behavior and atomic interactions. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight ambiguities in the definitions of the speed of light and the refractive index, as well as the complexities involved in the atomic interactions that govern reflection and refraction.

Aidyan
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I'm not asking for what reflection and refraction are or the usual law governing it, but I would like to understand what they represent at the quantum atomic, molecular level? In a mirror is it about photons absorbed and emitted with the same wavelength and same direction through atomic electron transitions? How can that be? And what is microscopically refraction? Why should a photon traveling between atoms of a trasparent medium change not only its speed but also its direction? I'm a bit confused... Can someone indicate some nice links explaining all that?
 
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Reflection and refraction are linked to a single property of a solid; the refractive index. The refractive index is commonly defined as the ratio of the speed of light in the solid compared to the speed of light in a vacuum, however this definition has two main drawbacks.

1. The term "speed of light" is ambiguous when multiple frequencies are concerned, as we can define multiple velocities (group velocity, phase velocity etc).

2. It says nothing about the properties of the solid.

A better definition of refractive index is 1/\sqrt{\epsilon \mu} where \epsilon is the electric permittivity and \mu is the magnetic permeability. Permittivity and permeability are defined as the dipoles generated per unit volume, per unit of electric and magnetic field respectively. These are the atomic properties that affect reflection and refraction on an atomic scale.

Claude.
 
Claude Bile said:
Reflection and refraction are linked to a single property of a solid; the refractive index. The refractive index is commonly defined as the ratio of the speed of light in the solid compared to the speed of light in a vacuum, however this definition has two main drawbacks.

1. The term "speed of light" is ambiguous when multiple frequencies are concerned, as we can define multiple velocities (group velocity, phase velocity etc).

2. It says nothing about the properties of the solid.

A better definition of refractive index is 1/\sqrt{\epsilon \mu} where \epsilon is the electric permittivity and \mu is the magnetic permeability. Permittivity and permeability are defined as the dipoles generated per unit volume, per unit of electric and magnetic field respectively. These are the atomic properties that affect reflection and refraction on an atomic scale.

Claude.

But why does dipole generation in an amorphous material emit photons always in the same direction? I would have expected an isotropic re-emission of photons in every direction. And how do we have to distinguish dipole generation in the case of reflection from refraction? I think things are a bit more complicate than this.
 
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Aidyan said:
But why does dipole generation in an amorphous material emit photons always in the same direction? I would have expected an isotropic re-emission of photons in every direction.

Photons are not being absorbed and re-emitted. Only photons that lie in specific frequency bands are absorbed by any given material. Photons that do not lie in these absorption bands (i.e. those that are transmitted) instead cause the positive and negative charges in nearby atoms to separate (by virtue of the E-field that the photon is a quantum of).

Aidyan said:
And how do we have to distinguish dipole generation in the case of reflection from refraction? I think things are a bit more complicate than this.

The difference in the laws of reflection and refraction is due to the boundary conditions that apply at an interface between two media with different refractive indices.

Claude.
 

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