What is the acceleration of a wedge with an inclined mass resting on it?

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The discussion focuses on determining the acceleration of a wedge with an inclined mass resting on it. Participants analyze the forces acting on the block, including gravity, the normal force, and the wedge's acceleration. They clarify the components of the normal force and its relationship to the block's motion, concluding that the block's acceleration can be expressed as a = g tan(θ). The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly identifying force directions and components in solving the problem. Ultimately, they arrive at a consensus on the acceleration formula.
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A block of mass m rests on a frictionless wedge that has an inclination of θ and mass M. Find the acceleration of the wedge M to the right such that the block m remains stationary relative to the wedge

1. Homework Statement

a, \theta, M, m

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The Attempt at a Solution


Draw a FBD centered on m. There is the force due to gravity, the normal force due to contact between M and m. There is also a force from M that imparts to m. Am I missing anything else?
 
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putongren said:
There is also a force from M that imparts to m.
You already listed a normal force from M on m. What is this other force?
 
I would find the component of acceleration (due to gravity) acting on m down the slope first. Then consider the component in direction of a.
 
I realize that there is a force that from M that imparts to m due to M's acceleration. I'm not sure what the direction and magnitude of this force. Is the direction of this force just parallel to the movement of M towards the right? So how many force vectors are there altogether for the FBD? 3?
 
The only force the plane exerts on m is the normal force.
Have you tried resolving the normal force into its components and relating these
components to the motion of the block?
 
putongren said:
I realize that there is a force that from M that imparts to m due to M's acceleration
M accelerates to the right. If it were to exert no force on m then m would move inside M. A normal force between surfaces is that force which opposes interpenetration. The force that M 'imparts' to m due to M's acceleration is the normal force.
 
I just realized that there should be a force parallel to the plane that points up along the slope? Is that true?

The y component of the normal force is mg cos theta and the x component is mg sin theta
 
putongren said:
I just realized that there should be a force parallel to the plane that points up along the slope? Is that true?
What would supply such a force? The slope is frictionless.
putongren said:
The y component of the normal force is mg cos theta and the x component is mg sin theta
Don't confuse normal force with gravitational force. Are you defining the Y direction as vertical or normal to the wedge slope?
Whichever you choose, try to answer this question: if the normal force is N, what is its component in the Y direction?
(To answer this you do not need to consider gravity or mass or acceleration.)
 
The force that points up along the slope is probably s fictitious force. But that's beyond the scope of the course I'm taking.

I'm defining the y direction as vertical to the wedge slope. It's component in the y direction is simply cos theta.
 
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putongren said:
The force that points up along the slope is probably s fictitious force. But that's beyond the scope of the course I'm taking.
Yes.
putongren said:
I'm defining the y direction as vertical to the wedge slope. It's component in the y direction is simply cos theta.
No, it's either 'vertical' or 'normal to the slope'; which?
What direction does the normal force act in? (The clue is in the name.)
 
  • #11
Alright, the direction is vertical.
 
  • #12
putongren said:
Alright, the direction is vertical.
OK, we can agree that the component of the normal force N in the y direction is N cos(theta), yes?
What other forces act in the y direction?
What is the acceleration of the block in the y direction?
What equation does that give you?
 
  • #13
There's gravity (mg) that acts in the y direction. Since the block is static, then the equation should be N cos(theta) - mg = 0
 
  • #14
putongren said:
There's gravity (mg) that acts in the y direction. Since the block is static, then the equation should be N cos(theta) - mg = 0
Well, it's not static, but you are right that it has no vertical acceleration, so yes, that is the right equation.
 
  • #15
So is the equation for the x direction N sin(theta) = a?
 
  • #16
putongren said:
So is the equation for the x direction N sin(theta) = a?
Yes.
 
  • #17
so a = mg tan(theta)?
 
  • #18
putongren said:
so a = mg tan(theta)?
Yes.
 
  • #19
Thanks, I think that was the answer.
 
  • #20
Actually, the answer is a = tan (theta), since I forgot to cancel out the m. Close enough.
 
  • #21
putongren said:
Actually, the answer is a = tan (theta), since I forgot to cancel out the m. Close enough.
Let's compromise on g tan(theta).
 
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