What is the approximate uncertainty in r for the given formula V=\pi r^{2} h?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the approximate uncertainty in the radius \( r \) from the volume formula \( V = \pi r^2 h \), given the uncertainties in volume \( V \) and height \( h \). The uncertainties provided are 7% for \( V \) and 3% for \( h \).

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  • Participants discuss different interpretations of how to calculate the uncertainty in \( r \) based on the uncertainties in \( V \) and \( h \). There are attempts to apply formulas for uncertainty propagation, and questions arise regarding the consistency of the calculated uncertainty with the original equation.

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Some participants have offered insights into the calculations and the assumptions behind measuring versus calculating values. There is an acknowledgment of differing opinions on the correct uncertainty value for \( r \), with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between measured and calculated quantities when discussing uncertainties, which may affect the interpretation of results.

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Homework Statement


[tex]V=\pi r^{2} h[/tex]

The uncertainties in V and h are shown below
V 7%
h 3%

The approximate uncertainty in r is:
A. 10% B. 5% C. 4% D. 2%

2. The attempt at a solution
According to the key the correct answer is B. This answer can be calculated by:
[tex]r^{2}=\frac{V}{\pi h}[/tex]
which gives 3%+7% = 10% uncertainty
and subsequently
[tex]r=\sqrt{\frac{V}{\pi h}}[/tex]
giving 10% * 1/2 = 5%

However:
if the value of 5% uncertainty for r is inserted in the original equation it all doesn't make sense:
[tex]V=\pi r^{2} h[/tex] should then give an uncertainty for V of 3%+5%+5%=13%

Can anyone please explain this?
 
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I'd say the answer was 2%, but I can't really explain how your book got to that answer.

[tex]\frac{dV}{V}=2 \frac{dr}{r}+\frac{dh}{h}[/tex]
 
That was my first thought as well. But the key says no.

And as proved in my previous post, the 5% uncertainty does make sense, however if used in the original equation (or by simply reversing the second) it doesn't sum up.
 
Bump. Any ideas?
 
you must be clear about what is measured and what is calculated.

if you measure V and h and are wanting to calculate r, then 5% is the correct error. but then your check does not make sense because there you are assuming r and h are measured and V is calculated.

If the question asked what error in r (which is measured) would give rise to a 7% error in V (which is calculated) given a 3% error in h (which is measured), then the answer would be 2%.

hope this helps
 
Yes, that makes sense. Thanks!
 

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