What is the best structure for po4 -3

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The discussion centers on the stability and structure of phosphate ions, specifically PO4^3-. There is debate over whether the Lewis structure should feature double bonds or only single bonds. One viewpoint emphasizes that the central phosphorus atom should ideally have one double bond and three single bonds for stability, while another asserts that all bonds in the phosphate ion are single, with the negative charges being stabilized by the solvent or counter ions. The mention of quantum mechanics introduces concepts like delocalized electrons and resonant structures, suggesting that while traditional representations often show one double bond, the actual bonding may be more complex. The stability of phosphate ions in different phases is also highlighted, noting that they are not stable in the gas phase. The discussion concludes with a request for clarification on the most stable Lewis structure and whether the central atom can carry a charge.
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i think it should have double bond with o
 
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rashida564 said:
i think it should have double bond with o
What in particular makes you think that?
 
because it is better to have the central atom to be natural so i should make one double bond and the other is single bond
 
The only stable phosphorus oxides are P_4 O_6 and P_4 O_{10}. P_4 O_3 doesn't exist.
 
i don't say p4o3 i mean Phosphate and i want to know that is the stable lewis structure becouse some book make all the bond are single and some book make one double bond and the other is single bond
 
rashida564 said:
i don't say p4o3 i mean Phosphate and i want to know that is the stable lewis structure becouse some book make all the bond are single and some book make one double bond and the other is single bond

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Oh, so you mean PO_{4}^{3-}. The Lewis structure is O=P-O with over-octet structure for P. If quantum mechanics is brought into picture, one can follow Pauling's theory of delocalized electrons, mesomeric/resonant structures.
 
All bonds are single bonds. The negative charges are stabilized by either the solvent or counter ions. In gas phase, phosphate ions aren't stable.
 
All bonds are single bonds. The negative charges are stabilized by either the solvent or counter ions. In gas phase, phosphate ions aren't stable.
 
This is nearly always pictured as one double bond ≡P=O with three single bonds P-O-, you won't go very far without meeting it.
 
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i don't know quantum mechanics so can anyone help me what is the most stable lewis and can central atom have charge
 
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