What is the Difference Between Color Temperature and Actual Temperature?

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The discussion revolves around the distinction between color temperature and the actual temperature of objects, particularly in the context of light sources like candle flames and black bodies. Participants explore the implications of color temperature in photography and the physics behind light emission from different sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the color temperature of candle light is about 1850K, questioning why this does not correspond to its actual burning temperature.
  • Another participant explains that non-black body radiation, such as that from candle light, is influenced by specific emission lines, particularly due to carbon, which gives the flame its yellow color.
  • A participant raises a question about whether the color observed from non-black body objects originates from the object's temperature or from photons emitted during chemical reactions.
  • One participant proposes that photons from both candle light and black bodies can have the same energy level, but originate from different processes (exothermic reactions vs. thermal heating).
  • Another participant suggests that the spectrum from a candle flame may not differ significantly from that of a black body, as the light seen is emitted from numerous small black bodies (carbon particles).
  • One participant emphasizes the difference between temperature and heat, illustrating that high temperature does not necessarily equate to high heat energy transfer, using the example of an oven and boiling water.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between color temperature and actual temperature, with no consensus reached on the implications of these concepts or the nature of light emission from different sources.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the nuances of light emission, color perception, and the physics of temperature and heat transfer, but do not resolve the complexities of these interactions or the definitions involved.

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Hi, I'm learning photography and I learned that the color temperature of Candle light is about 1850K. However if the temperature of a candle light was 1850K I think it would burn you up, so my question is. What is the difference between Color temperature and temperature of an object? why does the candle light give off a color temperature of 1850K if it's not its real temperature?

I know this: The color temperature is the color a black body would give off at a specific temperature, but how come other objects than black bodies (candle light, floureescent light etc.) can give off those colors at much lower light?
 
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christian0710 said:
The color temperature is the color a black body would give off at a specific temperature, but how come other objects than black bodies (candle light, floureescent light etc.) can give off those colors at much lower light?

Non-black body radiation is dominated by specific emission lines. The yellow color of candle light is mainly caused by carbon. The resulting impression of the flame color corresponds to the emission of a black body with a higher temperature.
 
DrStupid said:
Non-black body radiation is dominated by specific emission lines. The yellow color of candle light is mainly caused by carbon. The resulting impression of the flame color corresponds to the emission of a black body with a higher temperature.

Does that mean that the color we see from non black-body objects is not a color that originates from that objects temperature but rather from the photons of light that the electrons give off when non-black bodie's atoms interact in chemical reactions?

How do these photons differ from the photons given off by a black body if the color is the same? Are they the same photons with the same amount of energy?
 
Wait i have an idea: If you have red color from a candle and red color from a black body, both photons have the same energy level. The photon from the candle got it's energy from the exotermic reaction, while the black body photon got it's energy by heating the atoms up. In both cases the electrons jumped between quantum levels such that the difference in energy emitted is the same?
 
christian0710 said:
Wait i have an idea: If you have red color from a candle and red color from a black body, both photons have the same energy level. The photon from the candle got it's energy from the exotermic reaction, while the black body photon got it's energy by heating the atoms up. In both cases the electrons jumped between quantum levels such that the difference in energy emitted is the same?
I doubt that the spectrum from a candle flame is very different from black body. After all, what you are seeing is the light radiated from lots of little black bodies (the carbon particles).
But when you are talking about "colour" you are referring to the subjective effect of the spectrum of the light reaching a human eye. The tristimulus theory of colour vision tells us that you can give a very good match for any particular colour with a suitably weighted sum of any three or more Primaries. This is the basis of Colour TV.

But, back to the OP. Watching the spectrum of the light emitted from a candle does not involve getting close enough to burn yourself. The actual energy per unit area of your body is minuscule and that is what counts when considering how 'hot' it will feel. They are two totally different concepts - consider the Sun.
 
You are confusing temperature with heat. You can stick your hand in a hot oven without burning it, but boiling water (at a lower temperature) will cause severe burns. That's because the air in the oven has a high temperature, but doesn't carry much heat. It's the same with light.
 

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