A What is the Effect of a Lorentz Force on a Pendulum's Gyroscopic Stabilization?

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The discussion centers on the stability of a pendulum system influenced by a magnetic field, specifically when the pendulum's mass is at the North Pole of a sphere. It is established that if the magnetic field strength exceeds a certain threshold, the equilibrium at the North Pole becomes stable, despite being an unstable point in classical mechanics. The Lorentz force stabilizes the mass by forcing it into small circular motions, preventing it from falling. However, the introduction of any damping term destabilizes this equilibrium, as damping reduces total energy, contrary to the stabilizing effects of gravity and the magnetic field. The conversation draws parallels to the stability of Lagrange points, highlighting the role of forces in maintaining equilibrium.
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This is not a very famous effect but it is really amazing. Consider a pendulum which consists of a massless rod of length ##r## and a point of mass ##m##; the system is in the standard gravitational field ##\boldsymbol g##. So the point ##m## moves on the sphere of radius ##r##.
It is clear, the equilibrium when the point rests in the North Pole of the sphere is unstable.

Introduce a Cartesian inertial frame ##OXYZ## with origin in the point of suspension and the axis ##OZ## is vertical such that ##\boldsymbol g=-g\boldsymbol e_z##.
Now let us switch on a Lorentz force ##\boldsymbol F=\boldsymbol B\times\boldsymbol v## which acts on ##m##. The vector ##\boldsymbol B=B\boldsymbol e_z## is constant.

Theorem. Assume that ##B## is sufficiently big:
##\frac{B^2}{8m}>\frac{mg}{2r}##
then the North Pole equilibrium is stable.
 
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Is this a homework problem?
 
No I just thought that it would be interesting for PF. I planned to write the proof.
 
wrobel said:
This is not a very famous effect but it is really amazing.
Intuitively, when B is very strong it will force m on tiny circles anytime it tries to fall from the the North Pole.
 
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Yes, magnetic fields tend to stabilize charged things, that should not be surprising.
 
A.T. said:
Intuitively, when B is very strong it will force m on tiny circles anytime it tries to fall from the the North Pole.
Yes, something like that is going on. But a pretty thing is: the Lorentz force does not do the work but it turns unstable equilibrium into the stable one :)

mfb said:
es, magnetic fields tend to stabilize charged things, that should not be surprising.
so it makes wonder only me
 
It is not a fully stable point in the classical sense: if you displace the pendulum a bit, it won't come back to the center, it will rotate around it in a sequence of small "u"-patterns.

If you add a damping term, no matter how small, the stable point should become unstable.
 
That surprises me with the damping. Gravity and the magnetic field do not change the total energy, while damping can only reduce it. And the north pole is the state of maximal energy. I would expect some downwards spiral if the initial position is slightly off.

m=1g, r=1m, B=1T leads to 8.8 mC charge (B should be Bq I guess). Hmm, not practical on a large scale.
 
O, I am sorry, I deleted my last post containing error.
mfb said:
If you add a damping term, no matter how small, the stable point should become unstable.
this is true

mfb said:
It is not a fully stable point in the classical sense: if you displace the pendulum a bit, it won't come back to the center, it will
in accordance with definition it is not obliged to come back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_theory
 
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mfb said:
It is not a fully stable point in the classical sense
Seems similar to the stability of Lagrange points, which aren't minima of the graviational+centrifugal potential, but stuff stays there due to the Coriolis force, which is analogous to Lorentz force here.
 
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