Center of Mass of Quarter-Circle Wire

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the center of mass of a quarter-circle wire, as analyzed in Kleppner's Introduction to Mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical derivation of the center of mass and the implications of different interpretations of its location.

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  • One participant references Kleppner's claim that the center of mass is at the midpoint of the rod, while they calculate it to be at polar coordinates (2^(3/2) R/PI, PI/4).
  • Another participant agrees with the calculation of the center of mass coordinates as 2R/π for both x and y, but expresses uncertainty about the approximation used.
  • A third participant acknowledges confusion regarding the torque calculation, noting that the weight should be considered acting about the center of mass rather than the midpoint of the rod as suggested by Kleppner.

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Participants express differing views on the location of the center of mass, with some supporting Kleppner's interpretation and others providing alternative calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct placement of the center of mass and its implications for torque calculations.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of center of mass and the implications of different coordinate systems. The calculations presented depend on the interpretation of the weight's action point.

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On page 252 of Kleppner's Introduction to Mechanics (2d. Ed.) in Example 7.5, Kleppner analyzes the forces and torques on a uniform rod that have been bent into a quarter-circle of radius R and length PI*R/2. His diagram is attached.

Kleppner writes, "[t]he center of mass is halfway along the rod at PI*R/2.'' In the diagram, you see this is the point on the rod at its midway point (at polar coordinates (R, PI/4), where the weight vector W is shown).

I'm not sure how he places the center of mass at this point. I calculated the center of mass as at polar coordinates (2^(3/2) R/PI, PI/4). I calculated it as follows. The mass per unit length is:
\begin{equation*}
\lambda = \frac{M}{\frac{2 \pi R}{4}} = \frac{2M}{\pi R}
\end{equation*}
I calculated the center of mass as:
\begin{equation*}
\frac{1}{M} \int_C \boldsymbol{r} dm = \frac{1}{M} \int_0^{\pi/2} R (\boldsymbol{a_x} \cos \theta + \boldsymbol{a_y} \sin \theta ) \lambda R d\theta =
\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}
\frac{2R}{\pi} \int_0^{\pi/2} (\boldsymbol{a_x} \cos \theta + \boldsymbol{a_y} \sin \theta) d\theta =
\left. \frac{2R}{\pi} (\boldsymbol{a_x} \sin \theta - \boldsymbol{a_y} \cos \theta ) \right|_0^{\pi /2} =
\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}
\frac{2R}{\pi} (\boldsymbol{a_x} + \boldsymbol{a_y}) = \boldsymbol{a_r} \frac{2 \sqrt{2} R}{\pi} + \boldsymbol{a_\theta} \frac{\pi}{4}
\end{equation*}
This places the center of mass at (2^(3/2) R/PI, PI/4), or about 90% of the distance from the origin to the rod. Kleppner seems to say the center of mass is on the rod itself. Did I make a mistake?

Many thanks for your help!
 

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I also get 2R/π for the x and y coordinates of the center of mass. Not sure about what you are trying to show with your approximation.
 
Thanks, it's good to know I'm not missing something obvious here.

I shouldn't have used the approximation symbol, I should've used the equals sign. I was just converting from Cartesian to polar.

Again, thanks for checking my calculation.
 
same confusion here in order to find the torque because of the weight we should consider weight to be acting about center of mass ( i.e center of gravity ) which is at (2r/pi , 2r/pi) but Kleppner has taken weight to be acting about the middle point on the rod which is on rod itself.
 

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