What is the Inequality Used in Solving Probability Problems?

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The discussion revolves around a specific inequality used in solving probability problems, as referenced in the book "Fifty Challenging Problems in Probability." Participants explore the implications of the inequality and engage in clarifying the mathematical steps involved in its application.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the inequality r > \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}-1}b=(\sqrt{2} + 1)b, suggesting it does not seem correct.
  • Another participant provides a step-by-step multiplication to clarify the equality, showing that \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}-1}b can be transformed into \frac{\sqrt{2}+1}{1}b.
  • Several participants express their surprise at the simplicity of the mathematical manipulation involved, indicating a learning moment regarding the omission of 1 in calculations.
  • There is a shared sentiment about the importance of practice in recognizing and applying such mathematical techniques effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps taken to manipulate the inequality, but there is no consensus on the initial correctness of the inequality itself as questioned by the first participant.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the manipulation of inequalities and the simplification of expressions, which may depend on the participants' understanding of algebraic principles.

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Hi.

Tried to solve first problem in the book "Firfty Challenging Problems in Probability" and solved it although very ugly.

Then I check the answers and see the author use the following inequality:

[tex]r > \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}-1}b=(\sqrt{2} + 1)b[/tex]

Now correct me if I am wrong, but this implies that


[tex] <br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}-1}b=(\sqrt{2} + 1)b<br /> [/tex]

Right? Well, this does not seem right, does it?
 
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Given: [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}-1}b=(\sqrt{2} + 1)b[/tex]

Multiply by [tex]\frac{\sqrt{2}+1}{\sqrt{2}+1}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}-1}*\frac{\sqrt{2}+1}{\sqrt{2}+1}b=(\sqrt{2} + 1)b[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\sqrt{2}+1}{2-1}b=(\sqrt{2} + 1)b[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\sqrt{2}+1}{1}b=(\sqrt{2} + 1)b[/tex]
 
sweet mother of god. thanks.

It is always the 1 that is omitted that confuses me. Plus I used sqrt(9) to ease the calculation.
 
Sure, I just hope you understood the steps I took.

I'll lay it out in English just in case.

Basically you multiply top and bottom by the same thing (aka 1), then when you multiply the denominator, you'll remember that (x + A) (x - A) = x^2 - A^2. So for this we get 2 - 1 = 1 :)
 
yes I understood from the first reply, it's just so simple, hence my amazement.
 
Ah no worries. I wouldn't have thought to do this step either if this was me several years ago.

Once you see it the first time, it sticks to you. Once you practice it on a couple of problems it becomes natural. So whenever I see square roots like that in the denominator, I automatically turn on simplification mode (since I've seen it so many times).

Such is knowledge and life.
 

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