What is the linear velocity of a point on a swinging rod before it hits a wall?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the linear velocity of a point on a swinging rod just before it hits a wall after being released. The rod's mass is given as 1 kg, and the moment of inertia is defined as I=(1/3)ML^2. Participants discuss using conservation of energy to find the angular velocity, with one user calculating the potential energy and deriving an angular velocity of 5.46 rad/s. The approach of treating the center of mass as a particle and applying the rotational kinetic energy formula is confirmed as valid. The conversation concludes with a positive affirmation of the calculations presented.
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Homework Statement



If you suddenly cut the string, the rod will swing down. Find the linear velocity (V) of
the point P just before the rod hits the wall (the momentum-of-inertial I=(1/3)ML^2 if the rod rotates about the end point Q. L is the rod length and M is the rod mass).

The rod has a mass of 1kg.

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Homework Equations


I=(1/3)ML^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I've found the tension on the string and the force at point Q.(.433kg and .375kg respectively).

For the linear velocity can I just find the center of mass (0.5m), treat it like a particle attached to a massless string and use v=sqrt(2*g*h)?
Or is my logic totally flawed? Any help would be great!
 
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T-Rent said:
For the linear velocity can I just find the center of mass (0.5m), treat it like a particle attached to a massless string and use v=sqrt(2*g*h)?
Or is my logic totally flawed?

Yes.

You need to use the rotational formula for kinetic energy
 
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm having some trouble understanding this one. So my KE=1/2*I*W2. What would my W (angular velocity) be?
 
Hi T-Rent! :smile:

(have an omega: ω :wink:)

That's for you to find out, from conservation of energy. :smile:
 
So, let's give this a shot.

PE=mg(L/2)=5J
Rotational KE=1/2*I*ώ2
I=1/3*M*L^2=1/3kg*m2
So solving for ώ gets me 5.46 rad/s which is the same in m/s because my L and radius is 1m.

Does this seem right?
 
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Looks good! :smile:
 
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