What is the Mass of a Sample Given its Half-Life?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the mass of a radioactive sample using its half-life and activity. Participants debate the correct conversion of units, particularly from kilograms to micrograms, and the significance of the decay constant (λ) in relation to the initial and final number of undecayed nuclei. There is confusion regarding the application of the activity equation A = λN and the proper interpretation of results, particularly ensuring that the initial number of undecayed nuclei is greater than the final count. The conversation emphasizes the importance of unit consistency and the relationship between atomic weight, number of atoms, and Avogadro's number in determining the mass of the sample. Ultimately, the correct mass calculation should yield 6.28 micrograms after proper conversions and considerations.
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So I need that in micrograms tho. So 4402*10^-18/1000=4.4*10^-18kg. or 4.4*10^-12 micrograms

that stills say it's wrong tho.
 

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Perhaps you should use the activity equation A(t) = A0 e-λt to find the initial activity A0 and convert that to the initial number of nuclei.
 
Didn't we do that at the bottom of the image?
 
Watch units. A bequerel is defined how?

I don't follow your conversion of kg to μg.
 
Oh! So:
4402 * (10^(-18)) kg = 4.40200 × 10-6 micrograms

BUT bequerel is s^-1 @ 10^-6 so answer is 4.4micrograms?
 
Noreturn said:
Didn't we do that at the bottom of the image?
Not really. To reinforce what @TSny posted, assuming that you found A0, what is the number for λ in N0 = λ A0 when A0 has Bq units?
 
Noreturn said:
BUT bequerel is s^-1 @ 10^-6 so answer is 4.4micrograms?
I asked about the bequerel because your λ is in terms of years.
 
I was not able to figure this out. Any help on where I went wrong is appreciated. So I'm guessing I did the -.1322 wrong based on what you guys have mentioned.
 
Look at the equation A = λ N. Put in the numbers including the units attached to each number. Then you will see what is going on.
 
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Do I need to divide by Avogadro constant?
 
  • #11
Noreturn said:
Do I need to divide by Avogadro constant?
Not in this equation. Just do what I suggested.
 
  • #12
4*10^9 Bq =.132yr^-1*N

or

4*10^9Bq = 4.18291693 × 10-9 Bq * N

N= 9.56*10^17

9.56*19^17/e^(.132*3) = 6.43*10^17

(6.43*10^17)(1.66*10^-27)(58.93) =6.28*10^-8kg or 6.3ug
 
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That's better but still incorrect. What does N= 9.56*10^17 represent? What about 6.43*10^17? What number is that? If N is the number of undecayed nuclei, after 3 years (when the activity is 4*10^9Bq) and 6.43*10^17 is the initial number of undecayed nuclei, which one should be the larger number? Also, what are the units of 1.66*10^-27 and 58.93?
 
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So Muliplying 1.66*10^-27 and 58.93 converts mass number of Cobalt from amu to kg.The Initial should be bigger.

Just realized I may have had it right but I forgot to convert the kg to g. So my answer should have been 6.28ug
 
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Noreturn said:
The Initial should be bigger.
I agree, but when you start with the equation A = λ N, then you say A = 4*10^9Bq, that "A" is the final A and the number N = 9.56*10^17 that you get from it is the final N. So, what is the initial N that should be larger than 9.56*10^17? That's why I suggested that you find the initial activity in post #2.
Noreturn said:
Just realized I may have had it right but I forgot to convert the kg to g. So my answer should have been 6.28ug
I prefer to look at it this way: If you have N atoms of atomic weight AW, the mass of the sample is given by
$$m=AW \left(\frac{grams}{mole} \right)\times N (atoms) \times \frac{1}{N_{Avog.}} \left(\frac{mole}{atoms} \right)=AW\times \frac{N}{N_{Avog.}}(grams)$$
It's not a coincidence that the inverse of Avogadro's number (1.66×10-24) matches the mass of a proton (or neutron) in grams, 1.67×10-24.
 

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